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  • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    You keep telling folks that something is the best gun out there to use, naturally folks will begin to get them.
    Again, did the US government promote this weapon? If so, where is the evidence?



    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    The bolded part is the give away that they are not themselves assault rifles. It was even why they fabricated the term "assault weapon." It was a made up term.
    Apparently confusion over AR - ArmaLite not Assault Rifle - at least so I have read.


    However, that does rather refute your comment that:

    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    And apparently the Guardian cannot figure out that AR-15s are not military weapons and any army relying on them would be at a severe disadvantage when facing an opponent actually armed with military rifles.


    As the article did not call them military weapons but:


    an AR-15 style assault rifle


    Nonetheless and irrespective of the accuracy of the nomenclature the fact remains that semi-automatic weapons are now very popular among the US population;, and advertising and articles posted in specialist magazines as well as gun exhibitions/fairs [not to mention word of mouth among enthusiasts] rather than a government seal of approval might lead a cynic to note the following:

    A report from Congress last July helps explain why gun manufacturers have turned so enthusiastically to flooding the US market with AR-15 style rifles. It found that gun makers generated more than $1bn in sales of the guns over the past decade.


    My emphasis.
    "It ain't necessarily so
    The things that you're liable
    To read in the Bible
    It ain't necessarily so
    ."

    Sportin' Life
    Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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    • Originally posted by seer View Post

      Sorry, again Jim, I don't trust you or any other leftist with my Second Amendment rights any more than I trust you with my First Amendment rights...
      Like I said, a good bit of the push back against even the most common sense restrictions is fueled by paranoia.
      My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

      If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

      This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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      • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

        There would have to be a way to tie medical records of mental instability to gun registration and licensing. And that lin could have stopped the sale of the weapons. Of course, it you can't buy an AR-15 or similar weapon without significantly more than 'a criminal background' check, then at least they would not have had such a weapon to help them accomplish their goal. A ban like used to be in place would have worked wonders in this particular case. Sure, maybe someone would have felt confident to pull off such a thing with a less efficient killing device, but the fact AR-15's are easy to use, fire lots of bullets quickly, and have that reputation certainly helps on that front.
        Tennessee has red flag laws that would have prevented her from buying or owning guns if her parents had bothered to report her mental condition to police. So that is already in place. And as everyone keeps telling you, an AR-15 is no different from a regular semi-auto rifle except it looks scarier. She could have accomplished the same thing with a 12 gauge shotgun also. Probably would have caused even more damage. So banning AR-15s is not a viable solution either.


        Again, the focus needs to be on finding ways to be successful at limiting access and reducing the number of these events, not on making excuses, throwing up our hands up as if this is unsolvable, and just letting it be as it is. Gun control does in fact work. We need look only to all those countries that have it and are looking at our problem and shaking their heads in disgust. Weapons like an AR-15 need to require a license to own, there need to be mandatory training, and they need to be registered. And we need databases to link such ownership to CHANGES in mental health status or criminal record.
        To get a handgun license in Tennessee you have to complete a mandatory gun training course. So this person probably did that too. Besides, how is training someone how to better use and aim a weapon supposed to stop them from using that training to more accurately shoot up a school if they decide to do so? And what good would registering the guns have done? There were no indications that she was going to shoot up a school. Having the guns in a database would not have done anything.


        We need to close loopholes to purchasing. No more buying a gun at a gun show on the spot. No more private, unregulated sales.
        There is no indication she bought the guns in such a manner. She probably bought them at a gun store, with a background check.


        And criminal penalties for gun related crimes need to be through the roof.
        That I agree with. We need to make using a gun in a crime such a crime that nobody will risk it. But again, in this case she apparently knew she would die and didn't care so such a deterrent wouldn't have worked in this case.

        But recently the Supreme court struck DOWN a law that make it illegal for a person convicted of domestic abuse to own a firearm. We are headed the WRONG direction right now.
        I think any crime involving a gun should automatically be a felony and have a minimum sentence of several years. And that person should never be able to own a firearm again.


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        • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

          Like I said, a good bit of the push back against even the most common sense restrictions is fueled by paranoia.
          The RINOs helped Dems pass red flag laws recently, so what "push back" are you referring to?

          Or will you just ignore this post because your arguments aren't based on any facts?

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          • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

            Like I said, a good bit of the push back against even the most common sense restrictions is fueled by paranoia.
            You don't get it Jim, I do not trust your judgement on any of this...
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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            • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              Tennessee has red flag laws that would have prevented her from buying or owning guns if her parents had bothered to report her mental condition to police. So that is already in place. And as everyone keeps telling you, an AR-15 is no different from a regular semi-auto rifle except it looks scarier. She could have accomplished the same thing with a 12 gauge shotgun also. Probably would have caused even more damage. So banning AR-15s is not a viable solution either.
              People forget that the worse school shooting in recent history was done with two generic hand guns, a 9mm and a 22.
              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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              • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

                Like I said, a good bit of the push back against even the most common sense restrictions is fueled by paranoia.
                Again, what "common sense restrictions" are you referring to? Be specific. So far you mentioned regulating gun ownership the same way we currently regulate vehicle use with tests and licenses, but since the overwhelming majority of gun crimes are committed by those who possess firearms illegally, then I fail to see how a restriction that will do little more than make it harder for law abiding citizens to own guns while doing nothing to reduce crime passes the "common sense" test.

                So what else ya got?
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                • Originally posted by seer View Post

                  People forget that the worse school shooting in recent history was done with two generic hand guns, a 9mm and a 22.
                  The biggest "cause" of school shootings is media reporting of it. They make it into 24 hour news for days. Mentally ill people watch it and want attention or revenge and decide that they too will shoot up a school or do some other mass shooting, and become famous and no longer ignored. And it just snowballs.

                  For the entire history of our country people have owned guns, and in larger quantities per person then than now. And yet mass shootings and school shootings are a pretty recent phenomena. What changed? Instant fame through media. That is what changed.

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                  • Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                    For the entire history of our country people have owned guns, and in larger quantities per person then than now. And yet mass shootings and school shootings are a pretty recent phenomena. What changed? Instant fame through media. That is what changed.
                    What has changed? Young people have no hope or fear of God...
                    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                    • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

                      They are excuses. They are not 'flaws in my proposal'. Reasons 'why it won't work' are given for every solution proposed. No proposed counter solutions are given, and no acknowledgement nearly uncontrolled access is part of the problem. And yet, there are countries all over this world that DO in fact have limits on who can own guns and that have requirements that must be met to own them, and as impossible as it appears to be by your arguments, they have significantly less problems with gun violence than we do.
                      The problem with tunnel vision focused solely on eliminating gun crime is that you miss the bigger picture. Sure, a country like England might have lower gun crime rates after banning guns, but their violent crime rates hardly changed at all. Criminals simply adopted knives as their weapon of choice.

                      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/3470942002/

                      In other words, you're trying to treat the symptom while overlooking the disease.
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • Originally posted by seanD View Post

                        The RINOs helped Dems pass red flag laws recently, so what "push back" are you referring to?

                        Or will you just ignore this post because your arguments aren't based on any facts?
                        If I ignore a post of yours, it's because I'm not interested in whatever it was you said

                        The push back that was in your posts to me. Such as here where you clearly demonstrate that you value your right to own guns over the rights of children to be free from threat of yet another fool with an AR-15 coming down their hall to kill them. So much so that you try to insult members of the republican party that helped pass laws that are designed to help take guns away from people that are exhibiting violent and aggressive behavior of the sort that tends to precede such murderous rampages.
                        My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                        If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                        This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                        • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                          The problem with tunnel vision focused solely on eliminating gun crime is that you miss the bigger picture. Sure, a country like England might have lower gun crime rates after banning guns, but their violent crime rates hardly changed at all. Criminals simply adopted knives as their weapon of choice.

                          https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/3470942002/

                          In other words, you're trying to treat the symptom while overlooking the disease.
                          When was the last time your average joe person with a knife used it to bust out two layers of locked door in a few seconds, and then killed six people with it and could only be subdued by trained policemen with their own assault rifles? You know, maybe some special ops guy or Jason Borne, but not some 28 year old trans male with mental issues.

                          Again - just making excuses and trying to deflect from the problem. You simply can't equate a crazy with a knife and a crazy with an AR-15. The guy with the AR-15 can do much more damage, much more quickly, and with little to no training on how to use it.
                          My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                          If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                          This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                          • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                            Again, what "common sense restrictions" are you referring to? Be specific. So far you mentioned regulating gun ownership the same way we currently regulate vehicle use with tests and licenses, but since the overwhelming majority of gun crimes are committed by those who possess firearms illegally, then I fail to see how a restriction that will do little more than make it harder for law abiding citizens to own guns while doing nothing to reduce crime passes the "common sense" test.

                            So what else ya got?
                            You fail to see because you do not wish to look. THIS shooter purchased their guns legally. So yes, licensing and permitting, serious background and mental history checks for a weapon like an AR-15 would have made a significant difference.

                            So Answer me this MM: Are you so impatient, so deviod of empathy, that you can't wait a week or two to let your background be thoroughly vetted before you get your AR-15? Especially knowing that such a check would have saved 6 peoples lives this week? Are you afraid you can't pass such a backgound check? Do you not think you could pass a competancy test for owning such a weapon?

                            What is the real problem here?
                            Last edited by oxmixmudd; 03-29-2023, 01:04 PM.
                            My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                            If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                            This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                            • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

                              If I ignore a post of yours, it's because I'm not interested in whatever it was you said

                              The push back that was in your posts to me. Such as here where you clearly demonstrate that you value your right to own guns over the rights of children to be free from threat of yet another fool with an AR-15 coming down their hall to kill them. So much so that you try to insult members of the republican party that helped pass laws that are designed to help take guns away from people that are exhibiting violent and aggressive behavior of the sort that tends to precede such murderous rampages.
                              Your arguments are based on emotional drivel, mine are based on facts, so I assume you ignore my posts because you can't rebut any of my arguments.

                              And I'm not a politician and don't vote on laws, so what difference does it make whether I "push back" here or not? What matters is whether or not there is push back on an legislative level, and that's obviously not happening.

                              Red flag laws don't work, as others such as sparko have also explained to you why. Not only do red flag laws rarely work as intended, but they can also be abused, misused, or result in errors.

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                              • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

                                You fail to see because you do not wish to look. THIS shooter purchased their guns legally. So yes, licensing and permitting, serious background and mental history checks for a weapon like an AR-15 would have made a significant difference.
                                I think you missed my post here : https://theologyweb.com/campus/forum...80#post1469480

                                Tennessee has red flag laws, and requires a handgun licenses and background checks and mandatory training, so apparently none of that did make a significant difference in this case. Next.

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