When does Renaissance sculpture become "pornography"? Discuss!

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Actually, there have been a number of adaptations (including sequels) of Lady Chatterley's Lover over the years including x-rated versions that I don't show here

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How can a film be a sequel to a novel that has no sequel? This is part of this ludicrous tendency to write prequels and sequels for various works of literature, and often by authors who should know better

[Gondwanaland]

Are you sure you intended amoral?

a·mor·al
adjective
adjective: amoral

• lacking a moral sense; unconcerned with the rightness or wrongness of something.

Sounds like quite an apt description to me.

[Diogenes]

You have yet to provide a convincing argument as to why parents are always the ones to make such decisions. All you have offered is what you consider to be your role as pater familias.

Ah yes, because the State (or some other authority) should usurp the role of pater familias from the parents.

[Gondwanaland]

Are you sure you intended amoral?

You have yet to present such a correlation.


It is a book that was made into films. The original is text.


You have yet to provide a convincing argument as to why parents are always the ones to make such decisions. All you have offered is what you consider to be your role as pater familias.

Unless theer is an extreme situation (such as abuse or medical mistreratment), the parents are and should be the ones to make the decisions about the upbringing of their children.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Unless theer is an extreme situation (such as abuse or medical mistreratment), the parents are and should be the ones to make the decisions about the upbringing of their children.

You would need to define "abuse".

Given your oft expressed antipathy towards various aspects of religious beliefs [particularly within Christianity] you might consider some of the more "rigid" or fundamentalist Christian upbringings to be abusive.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Ah yes, because the State (or some other authority) should usurp the role of pater familias from the parents.

Do you actually understand what the term pater familias originally encompassed? It did not involve the mother.

Should any one human being have autocratic power over another? [I was tempted to write Discuss after that]

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Our resident 'historian' is apparently unaware that the concept of 'social reproduction' is a creation of Marx in Das Kapital, expanded on later by his followers/Marxists

Oh and just for the record, chapter 9 of Ringrose's book to which Diogenes made his claim that it was

Marxist confirmed

and that

The chapter title is sufficient to understand she is employing a critical theorist lens.

Has absolutely nothing to do with Marxism as I later pointed out to our mutual friend.

[Bill the Cat]

Are you sure you intended amoral?

Giving you the benefit of the doubt

You have yet to present such a correlation.

Both portray nudity that is consumable by the public. I swear, it's like you are 5!

It is a book that was made into films. The original is text.

So what? You said it couldnt be watched. Now move those goal posts yet again. You're getting skunked on every front.

You have yet to provide a convincing argument as to why parents are always the ones to make such decisions. All you have offered is what you consider to be your role as pater familias.

I don't need to explain ANY other parent's responsibility to you. You don't control what I allow my kids to view and when. That you think that parents must be apologists for their rights to raise their kids is all the proof I need to preen over my assessment of you being a communist, comrade.

[Mountain Man]

I do not see the relevance of quoting Proverbs. Nor have you fully explained how in Genesis 3 shame about nakedness was the result of the loss of innocence. Innocence in its strictest sense meaning harmless.

That A&E realised they were naked after consuming the fruit indicates they acquired the same knowledge as the deity regarding nudity. So if they suddenly realised their shame, it follows that nudity/nakedness was always shameful but they did not realise that until they had gained the same knowledge as the deity.

Start with the premise that nakedness is not shameful in and of itself, because otherwise, God could not have declared his creation "very good" (Genesis 1:31).

Next, consider the wisdom of King Solomon when he said, "The wicked flee when no one pursues them" (Proverbs 28:1).

From those two premises, you should be able to figure out why Adam and Eve were suddenly ashamed of their nakedness and sough to cover themselves.

Who mentioned "traumatic" with regard to childhood? We all have memories of things that occurred when we were young - it is part of our life experience.

You've mentioned being "scarred" and burdened with "emotional baggage" from things that happened to you when you were young. This is not a typical experience for most people, which compels me to think that you are revealing more than you intend to with your remarks.

[Diogenes]

Oh and just for the record, chapter 9 of Ringrose's book to which Diogenes made his claim that it was

Marxist confirmed

and that

The chapter title is sufficient to understand she is employing a critical theorist lens.

Has absolutely nothing to do with Marxism as I later pointed out to our mutual friend.

You twice denial indicates to me that I am correct as you have yet to demonstrate the contrary. I have provided the ideological pedigree of "social reproduction".

Even reddit seems to understand social reproduction more than you.

[Diogenes]

Our resident 'historian' is apparently unaware that the concept of 'social reproduction' is a creation of Marx in Das Kapital, expanded on later by his followers/Marxists

The question is now whether Hypatia is acting out of ignorance or is feigning a kind of fundamentalism in that "Marxism" can have no further development beyond the words of Marx himself

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

The question is now whether Hypatia is acting out of ignorance or is feigning a kind of fundamentalism in that "Marxism" can have no further development beyond the words of Marx himself

Contrary to your own inane remark, Marxism has no bearing on Chapter Nine of Kathryn Ringrose's book The Perfect Servant: Eunuchs and the Social Construction of Gender in Byzantium that was mentioned by Starlight .

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

You twice denial indicates to me that I am correct as you have yet to demonstrate the contrary. I have provided the ideological pedigree of "social reproduction".

Even reddit seems to understand social reproduction more than you.

To paraphrase Shakespeare Get Thee to a University Bookshop or Library and read the chapter in Ringrose for yourself. Your trolling is duly noted.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Start with the premise that nakedness is not shameful in and of itself, because otherwise, God could not have declared his creation "very good" (Genesis 1:31).

Fair enough

Next, consider the wisdom of King Solomon when he said, "The wicked flee when no one pursues them" (Proverbs 28:1).

OK

From those two premises, you should be able to figure out why Adam and Eve were suddenly ashamed of their nakedness and sough to cover themselves.

That quote from Proverbs does not make any sense given your first sentence in this reply.

If nakedness was part of what was good why was nakedness suddenly deemed shameful after obtaining the same knowledge as the deity? That implies that the deity knew nakedness was shameful. So how can it have been deemed "good"?

And where in Genesis 3 is there any mention of a loss of innocence?

You've mentioned being "scarred" and burdened with "emotional baggage" from things that happened to you when you were young. This is not a typical experience for most people, which compels me to think that you are revealing more than you intend to with your remarks.

You would need to provide exact quotes from me on those issues.

[Diogenes]

To paraphrase Shakespeare Get Thee to a University Bookshop or Library and read the chapter in Ringrose for yourself. Your trolling is duly noted.

One merely needs to investigate "social reproduction".

Contrary to your own inane remark, Marxism has no bearing on Chapter Nine of Kathryn Ringrose's book The Perfect Servant: Eunuchs and the Social Construction of Gender in Byzantium that was mentioned by Starlight

You have yet to prove me incorrect. As always, you're taking something that I say and derailing the thread to that topic as you've only showed interest in exposing sixth graders nudity in art for the sake of showing nudity and of course the usurpation of the influence of parents on their children.