Transgender Athletes Ban

[Ronson]

No, he apparently has a boyfriend. Then again, I am just getting info from afar. It's why I don't have Facebook or Instagram or any of that, because I don't want to communicate with people from my past.

Unless they're rich and generous.

Turns out the information was wrong. He was not "trans" and he died in 2012. Some hacker was messing with his page.

[Starlight]

And though it took 50+ years the right won, probably, their single most important issue. They got Roe over turned.

It is, looking at history, fairly surprising to see a conservative reactionary position actually temporarily succeed like that. But it's having the useful effect of galvanizing young voters. Exit polls in the last election showed Gen Z voters were 80-20 split Democrats v Republicans and voted in huge numbers. And they're reporting to pollsters that their 3 most important issues are abortion access, gun regulation and climate change.

The impact of Gen Z voters

Voters aged 18-26 played a role in several swing state elections. In Nevada, Georgia, and Arizona, total youth vote outpaced the margin of victory for the winning candidates. Gen Z voters also heavily contributed to the narrow Democratic wins in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Kansas.

Gen Z played such a key role due to their increasing numbers (they currently represent 10% of eligible voters), relatively high turnout (they voted at the second highest rate of any midterm election in the past thirty years), and cohesive voting patterns (they predominantly voted for Democratic candidates).

Without the Gen Z vote, the outcome of these midterms would look very different.

The Republican party can't survive a generation voting against them in such high numbers. While young people have long tended to lean marginally towards the democrats, this has been countered by generally very low youth voter turnouts. As a result, the millennial generation never had the effect on politics that some were expecting. Gen Z appears different, the numbers aren't "marginally towards the democrats" anymore, an 80-20 split is hitting it out of the park, and their high rate of voter turnout is going to increase that effect. Unless the republicans change their policies in the very near future to appeal to these young voters, they're going to fall into the habit of voting for democrats, and the Republican party will quickly become a minor party for the next 50 years. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if the Republican party ends up disbanding and the main parties become Democratic and Green (or similar, e.g. a new Progressive party). Republicans killed off enough of their own voters over covid with their failed covid policies that the shift will happen pretty quickly now.

[seer]

It is, looking at history, fairly surprising to see a conservative reactionary position actually temporarily succeed like that. But it's having the useful effect of galvanizing young voters. Exit polls in the last election showed Gen Z voters were 80-20 split Democrats v Republicans and voted in huge numbers. And they're reporting to pollsters that their 3 most important issues are abortion access, gun regulation and climate change.

Well yes, I admit that the young have been brainwashed. But abortion will be a state by state issue, as it should be,

The Republican party can't survive a generation voting against them in such high numbers. While young people have long tended to lean marginally towards the democrats, this has been countered by generally very low youth voter turnouts. As a result, the millennial generation never had the effect on politics that some were expecting. Gen Z appears different, the numbers aren't "marginally towards the democrats" anymore, an 80-20 split is hitting it out of the park, and their high rate of voter turnout is going to increase that effect. Unless the republicans change their policies in the very near future to appeal to these young voters, they're going to fall into the habit of voting for democrats, and the Republican party will quickly become a minor party for the next 50 years. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if the Republican party ends up disbanding and the main parties become Democratic and Green (or similar, e.g. a new Progressive party). Republicans killed off enough of their own voters over covid with their failed covid policies that the shift will happen pretty quickly now.

No, win lose or draw Conservatives should not jettison their principles. And no one knows the future. Yes there are trends, but trends change.

[Starlight]

No, win lose or draw Conservatives should not jettison their principles.

History shows that "conservatives" just hold the values that were prevalent in society when they grew up. As society changes over time (often changes pushed by liberals), the next generation of "conservatives" hold the values of the previous generation of liberals (who changed the society), because the new conservatives hold to the values they happened to grow up with. Conservatism, is thus constantly jettisoning its principles through generational shifts, because conservativism itself lacks any inherent values other than allegiance to the status quo of whatever time period of whatever society happens to be under consideration. Conservatives thus always lose because societies are always changing (even when it's too slow for them to notice), and because they lack any truly underlying set of moral values beyond whatever they happened to have been taught as kids and internalized. This means that long-term its not really possible for conservatives not to lose.

[rogue06]

And though it took 50+ years the right won, probably, their single most important issue. They got Roe over turned. And please you have no basis for judging what is on the wrong side of morality or not.

The left made the mistake of thinking this was "settled law." We shouldn't do so as well.

[Ronson]

History shows that "conservatives" just hold the values that were prevalent in society when they grew up. As society changes over time (often changes pushed by liberals), the next generation of "conservatives" hold the values of the previous generation of liberals (who changed the society), because the new conservatives hold to the values they happened to grow up with. Conservatism, is thus constantly jettisoning its principles through generational shifts, because conservativism itself lacks any inherent values other than allegiance to the status quo of whatever time period of whatever society happens to be under consideration. Conservatives thus always lose because societies are always changing (even when it's too slow for them to notice), and because they lack any truly underlying set of moral values beyond whatever they happened to have been taught as kids and internalized. This means that long-term its not really possible for conservatives not to lose.

Interesting. I could agree with this assessment if not for the part about "conservativism itself lacks any inherent values other than allegiance to the status quo..." If true, then Roe V Wade being overturned would not be celebrated by conservatives because it has existed longer than a generation. By your reasoning, those old principles should have been jettisoned by now.

So, I would amend your assessment by saying that conservatives hold onto previous values longer than liberals, and there are some values that cannot be compromised.

[seer]

History shows that "conservatives" just hold the values that were prevalent in society when they grew up. As society changes over time (often changes pushed by liberals), the next generation of "conservatives" hold the values of the previous generation of liberals (who changed the society), because the new conservatives hold to the values they happened to grow up with. Conservatism, is thus constantly jettisoning its principles through generational shifts, because conservativism itself lacks any inherent values other than allegiance to the status quo of whatever time period of whatever society happens to be under consideration. Conservatives thus always lose because societies are always changing (even when it's too slow for them to notice), and because they lack any truly underlying set of moral values beyond whatever they happened to have been taught as kids and internalized. This means that long-term its not really possible for conservatives not to lose.

That is fine, I have no doubt that we are shoveling sand against the tide. I expect the world to get more irrational, evil and totalitarian as time goes on. As Scripture states, 'the whole world lies in wickedness.' And as a Christian I realize that we are in enemy-occupied territory. And I'm not sure what you mean about moral values, I doubt that I'm that far from what most Founders believed, or spiritually from what most early Christians believed. You as a closet relativist are the one on shifting moral sands...You seem to jump on the bandwagon of any moral nonsense that comes down the pike.

[Gondwanaland]

Don't dare speak out:

Yep and there's video for all to see of her being assaulted and having to barricade inside a classroom.

Yet despite that, the deranged progressives running the university issued a statement praising the protestors foe their "bravery" and declared it peaceful.

"But we may also find ourselves exposed to divergent views and even views we find personally abhorrent. These encounters have sometimes led to discord, anger, confrontation and fear. We must meet this moment and unite with a shared value of learning. Thank you to our students who participated peacefully in Thursday evening’s event. It took tremendous bravery to stand in a challenging space. I am proud of the moments where we listened and asked insightful questions. I am also proud of the moments when our students demonstrated the value of free speech and the right to protest peacefully. These issues do not go away, and these values are very much at our core."

[rogue06]

Yep and there's video for all to see of her being assaulted and having to barricade inside a classroom.

Yet despite that, the deranged progressives running the university issued a statement praising the protestors foe their "bravery" and declared it peaceful.

"But we may also find ourselves exposed to divergent views and even views we find personally abhorrent. These encounters have sometimes led to discord, anger, confrontation and fear. We must meet this moment and unite with a shared value of learning. Thank you to our students who participated peacefully in Thursday evening’s event. It took tremendous bravery to stand in a challenging space. I am proud of the moments where we listened and asked insightful questions. I am also proud of the moments when our students demonstrated the value of free speech and the right to protest peacefully. These issues do not go away, and these values are very much at our core."

Sue the snot out of the school for failing to provide a secure venue and use their reactions pooh-pooing any violence as part of her case.

[seer]

Another perv!

Dalai Lama Speaks Out After Bizarre Video Showed Him Asking To Suck Boy’s Tongue – There’s One Big Problem With His Apology

The Dalai Lama has apologized following outcry over him kissing a young Indian boy on the lips and asking him to “suck” his tongue.

https://www.usasupreme.com/dalai-lam...h-his-apology/

[Diogenes]

Oh look, fom October 2022:

Trans Athlete Severely Injures Girls Volleyball Player With Spike — District Forfeits Games For Girls’ Safety

If you search for "Hiwassee", part of the name of the high school, you won't find this story on CNN's or NPR's website. I wonder why.