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  • #61
    Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

    I'll go with environmentalists worship the earth and therefore Greta is acting as a priestess of that religion.
    I tend to agree. Theology is a facet of any religion that has a god. I'm not sure though, that Greta Thunberg actually acknowledges a deity.

    ETA: just googled ... greta thunberg god ...

    mind boggling.
    1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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    Scripture before Tradition:
    but that won't prevent others from
    taking it upon themselves to deprive you
    of the right to call yourself Christian.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by tabibito View Post

      I tend to agree. Theology is a facet of any religion that has a god. I'm not sure though, that Greta Thunberg actually acknowledges a deity.

      ETA: just googled ... greta thunberg god ...

      mind boggling.
      From National Catholic Reporter:

      Greta Thunberg, a prophet for Advent

      Greta Thunberg is an Advent prophet giving us hope but challenging us to prepare the way of the Lord by protecting the Father's creation. She has suffered the same scorn and attacks heaped on other prophets by the powerful and rich.


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      From Anglican Ink:

      Greta Thunberg is a prophet for our times declares Rowan Williams

      Teenage climate activist Greta Thunburg is a prophet for our times, for the former Archbishop of Canterbury, Lord Williams told participants via Zoom at last week’s Korsvei festival in Norway.


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      From Open Democracy:

      The prophetic utterance of Greta Thunberg

      Prophets speak truth to power. Our children will not forgive us for ignoring them.

      [...]

      The Christian Scriptures inform us that the lips of children should not be silenced; that leading children into sin is a horror to God; and that the crushing and frustration of children by the pride and sin of their parents are matters to be treated with the utmost Christian seriousness.


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      From Premier Christian News:

      Swedish church leaves Twitter after declaring Greta Thunberg is successor to Jesus Christ

      A tweet has resurfaced from the Church of Sweden Malmo in which it said famous teenage climate change activist Greta Thunberg was the successor to Jesus Christ.

      The tweet from last December said: "Announcement! Jesus of Nazareth has now appointed one of his successors, Greta Thunberg."


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      • #63
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post

        From National Catholic Reporter:

        Greta Thunberg, a prophet for Advent

        Greta Thunberg is an Advent prophet giving us hope but challenging us to prepare the way of the Lord by protecting the Father's creation. She has suffered the same scorn and attacks heaped on other prophets by the powerful and rich.


        picardfacepalmthumb.jpg

        From Anglican Ink:

        Greta Thunberg is a prophet for our times declares Rowan Williams

        Teenage climate activist Greta Thunburg is a prophet for our times, for the former Archbishop of Canterbury, Lord Williams told participants via Zoom at last week’s Korsvei festival in Norway.


        picardfacepalmthumb.jpgpicardfacepalmthumb.jpg

        From Open Democracy:

        The prophetic utterance of Greta Thunberg

        Prophets speak truth to power. Our children will not forgive us for ignoring them.

        [...]

        The Christian Scriptures inform us that the lips of children should not be silenced; that leading children into sin is a horror to God; and that the crushing and frustration of children by the pride and sin of their parents are matters to be treated with the utmost Christian seriousness.


        picardfacepalmthumb.jpgpicardfacepalmthumb.jpgpicardfacepalmthumb.jpg


        From Premier Christian News:

        Swedish church leaves Twitter after declaring Greta Thunberg is successor to Jesus Christ

        A tweet has resurfaced from the Church of Sweden Malmo in which it said famous teenage climate change activist Greta Thunberg was the successor to Jesus Christ.

        The tweet from last December said: "Announcement! Jesus of Nazareth has now appointed one of his successors, Greta Thunberg."


        Facepalm stooges.jpg
        In some defence, the person who wrote the Catholic article is a Jesuit. If you see "SJ" next to their name, they're not worth the time or effort to even facepalm. It means they are 100% a lost cause, not that Vatican II and the liberalisation of the RCC aren't there own issues.
        P1) If , then I win.

        P2)

        C) I win.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Diogenes View Post

          In some defence, the person who wrote the Catholic article is a Jesuit. If you see "SJ" next to their name, they're not worth the time or effort to even facepalm. It means they are 100% a lost cause, not that Vatican II and the liberalisation of the RCC aren't there own issues.
          I've known a couple of Jesuits over the years and they always came across as very intelligent, well educated and very good at things like logic.

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
            I invite you to post anything at all the UN has said negative about the Paris climate agreement. I would be genuinely surprised if there was literally anything at all you could cite.

            Hmm. Almost like those words don't exist cos they've never said anything negative?

            The Paris climate agreement says that countries have to continually increase their goals and measures over time. The UN saying that current measures are not enough and that countries should increase them is rhetorically consistent with that.

            Paris Climate Agreement: "Everyone needs to do more."
            UN: "Everyone needs to do more."

            Sean: "I creatively reinterpret that as the UN is saying the Paris Climate Agreement is a failure".
            Starlight:

            This claim can't be true yet because not enough time has yet passed to evaluate this. So, again, I've got to question your honesty and seriousness about this subject when you make intrinsically false statements like this.

            Political leaders generally don't yet know the political consequences of attempting to meet climate change goals.

            In my country, New Zealand, the current government seems fairly genuinely and honestly committed to trying to do our country's part on climate change. The Minister for Climate Change is from the Green party (a left-wing environmentalist party similar to the US Green party). The government basically said "we'd like to do our bit on climate change: Scientists, please tell us how best to do that." So they set up a science committee to investigate and report on how to do it. Politicians themselves can't magically know whether it would be better to plant trees, or to build solar panels, or to abolish cars, or to build nuclear power plants, or to make everyone live in hobbit holes, or to ban eating steak. So a group of scientists, economists, etc went through all the options in every industry and evaluated them etc. Their initial draft report, suggesting the best policies for some areas of the economy, only came out fairly recently. And it was... boring. They suggested pretty minor improvements across all sectors, and these minor improvements add up. Very few people are going to have to make any sacrifices.

            Prior to that report coming out the politicians had no real idea of any of the details of what tackling climate change would involve. They didn't know if it would involve big sacrifices, small sacrifices, or no sacrifices. They didn't know if it would involve things that were politically unpalatable, or whether it would involve things that would upset the public.

            And they still don't entirely know in New Zealand, because some areas of climate change policy have been further sub-contracted out to industry groups to analyze, propose, and report on, and those reports aren't yet in. Agriculture is one of the biggest industries in NZ, so anything that government does on climate change with regard to agriculture will be the most politically controversial or divisive. And the decisions around what should be done with respect to agriculture and climate change haven't been fully made yet, and are still being discussed by industry committees and science groups.

            So, in a country that is genuinely making a good-faith effort to do serious carbon emission reduction and meet climate commitments and goals:
            1. The policies that will be recommended to the politicians by the scientists, industry groups, and economists studying the options are still significantly To Be Determined and under vigorous study.
            2. So the politicians don't fully know what policies their commitment to reduce greenhouse emissions will actually entail.
            3. So the politicians are not in a position to assess what the electorate's response to those policies will be, because they don't yet know what they are.
            I think they are working by the Paris Agreement timetable, which means they need to have most of their ducks in a row by the end of this year when they have the Dec 2023 conference where all countries bring their plans to the table and discuss each other's plans.

            And this is in a country that's making serious efforts to do the right thing. The status is no answers yet, reports and recommendations still being generated.

            In countries where the government has no interest in even trying, they will not be bothering to get any reports and recommendations generated, so they will know even less about what sort of policies would be suggested to them by scientists for meeting climate change targets in their countries. So they are simply not in any position to say anything close to "I know the populace would never tolerate me implementing the policies necessary to fight climate change", because they don't know what those policies are.

            It's not me getting things wrong, it's you, as is normally the case. It's not me saying countries aren't voluntarily doing enough, the UN says that. That's a fact. Whether or not you and I see that as a "miserable failure" or not is subjective. It has nothing to do with time as you falsely claim (again, you're either lying or terrible uninformed about this issue). The point is, countries are failing to meet Paris Accord expectations (as the UN claims) because they know the consequences of pushing their populace hard to enough to try and meet those expectations will result in economic disruption and civil unrest, particularly in the western countries where the sentiment of the populace determines elections.

            As far as your long spiel about NZ, I don't really care what happens(ing) in NZ. Much like pandemic outcomes, a tiny isolated island like NZ is an outlier and inconsequential to the bigger picture.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by tabibito View Post

              I tend to agree. Theology is a facet of any religion that has a god. I'm not sure though, that Greta Thunberg actually acknowledges a deity.

              ETA: just googled ... greta thunberg god ...

              mind boggling.
              Nature itself is the god of environmentalists. They worship the creation instead of the Creator.
              Last edited by Mountain Man; 03-24-2023, 12:24 PM.
              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
              Than a fool in the eyes of God


              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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              • #67
                Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                I tend to agree. Theology is a facet of any religion that has a god. I'm not sure though, that Greta Thunberg actually acknowledges a deity.

                ETA: just googled ... greta thunberg god ...

                mind boggling.
                I would imagine Gaia might serve as at least a type of deity. Climate scientists and academics are the priestly figures. Greta would be a type of evangelist and false prophet. The dogma she's intent on spreading has both warnings of end time doom, and a promise of utopia as long as mankind adheres to the dictates and tenets of the priests and false prophets.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by seanD View Post
                  It's not me getting things wrong, it's you, as is normally the case.

                  LOL, good one, I needed the laugh.

                  As far as your long spiel about NZ, I don't really care what happens(ing) in NZ.
                  You don't have to. The point of the example was that a country that is genuinely trying to do its part to fight climate change isn't yet sure what that will entail and what political policies will result.

                  It's a disproof of your claim that political leaders know what policies would be needed to stop climate change, and know that it wouldn't be popular to implement those policies, and know that it would require the use of violence to force the populace into acquiescence.

                  I'm saying, no, we're many steps up the chain from that still: Politicians don't know what policies would be needed to top climate change.

                  The sorts of ideas that I'm seeing right-wingers bouncing around in this forum have included banning hamburgers, forcing people to eat insects, putting people into hobbit holes, and significantly depopulating the world. But I've certainly seen no scientific research saying any of those things.

                  I think after the December Paris Agreement climate change conference this year we might have much more of an idea of what it will actually involve. Because countries will bring their initial draft plans to the conference and say what it is they're intending to do. At that point, people will be able to do some calculations and estimate if that combined effort will be enough, and we'll have some decent idea of what policies governments actually plan to implement. Personally, I'm prepared to go out on a limb and guess that not a single country will opt for banning hamburgers, forced insect eating, putting people into hobbit holes, or significant depopulation; and that cheaper power through solar panels, planting some trees, and cheaper cars and fuel through hybrid and EV subsidies will feature much more heavily in the proposals.
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Starlight View Post

                    LOL, good one, I needed the laugh.

                    You don't have to. The point of the example was that a country that is genuinely trying to do its part to fight climate change isn't yet sure what that will entail and what political policies will result.

                    It's a disproof of your claim that political leaders know what policies would be needed to stop climate change, and know that it wouldn't be popular to implement those policies, and know that it would require the use of violence to force the populace into acquiescence.

                    I'm saying, no, we're many steps up the chain from that still: Politicians don't know what policies would be needed to top climate change.

                    The sorts of ideas that I'm seeing right-wingers bouncing around in this forum have included banning hamburgers, forcing people to eat insects, putting people into hobbit holes, and significantly depopulating the world. But I've certainly seen no scientific research saying any of those things.

                    I think after the December Paris Agreement climate change conference this year we might have much more of an idea of what it will actually involve. Because countries will bring their initial draft plans to the conference and say what it is they're intending to do. At that point, people will be able to do some calculations and estimate if that combined effort will be enough, and we'll have some decent idea of what policies governments actually plan to implement. Personally, I'm prepared to go out on a limb and guess that not a single country will opt for banning hamburgers, forced insect eating, putting people into hobbit holes, or significant depopulation; and that cheaper power through solar panels, planting some trees, and cheaper cars and fuel through hybrid and EV subsidies will feature much more heavily in the proposals.
                    They seem pretty confident in their dire predictions about the coming disaster and that humanity is going to end unless we immediately act now. We heard it every single year for decades, only now they seem pretty relentless. Maybe they'll do what most fanatical cults do; they'll all drink cyanide and kill themselves for the good of the planet and Gaia. But I doubt that's going to happen. Instead, they're going keep pushing their policies on the populace until there's a revolt.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by seanD View Post

                      They seem pretty confident in their dire predictions about the coming disaster and that humanity is going to end unless we immediately act now. We heard it every single year for decades, only now they seem pretty relentless. Maybe they'll do what most fanatical cults do; they'll all drink cyanide and kill themselves for the good of the planet and Gaia. But I doubt that's going to happen. Instead, they're going keep pushing their policies on the populace until there's a revolt.
                      First time they have a U.S. president who does more than pay lip service to it. They have a true belier gladly willing to tank our economy and tear down our society and they aren't going to let this opportunity pass.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        First time they have a U.S. president who does more than pay lip service to it. They have a true belier gladly willing to tank our economy and tear down our society and they aren't going to let this opportunity pass.
                        It's far worse in the EU because they don't have the court systems protecting them against these climate cult ghouls like we do. They were actually planning to ban combustible engines in the EU until Germany came to its sense and blinked at the last moment. I'm sure the false prophet Greta will screech.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by seanD View Post

                          It's far worse in the EU because they don't have the court systems protecting them against these climate cult ghouls like we do. They were actually planning to ban combustible engines in the EU until Germany came to its sense and blinked at the last moment. I'm sure the false prophet Greta will screech.
                          Who does the E.U. think they are? California?

                          I'm always still in trouble again

                          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                            First time they have a U.S. president who does more than pay lip service to it. They have a true believer gladly willing to tank our economy and tear down our society and they aren't going to let this opportunity pass.
                            Like how he just approved a massive Alaskan oil drilling project last week, that had environmentalists really upset?

                            Sometimes the things you write read like total fantasy.
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                            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              It's a strange choice, but I guess some people thinks she's doing God's work.

                              I see she was given an honorary doctorate in Law a couple of years ago. That seems an equally difficult field to justify to me.

                              If she's a climate change activist, and you're giving her an honorary doctorate, then either Politics or Science would seem the obvious choices to me.

                              That said, honorary doctorates are totally meaningless nothings, so it's a bit like asking what color should a participation certificate be.
                              Star? Is that YOU?!?!?!
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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                                Star? Is that YOU?!?!?!
                                As someone who worked hard myself to obtain a real doctorate, it's mildly offensive to see honorary ones given away as freebies. That said, I've never come across anyone who takes honorary ones at all seriously in any situation.
                                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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