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  • #31
    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    It's also the tip of the iceberg. The House Oversight Committee recently obtained access to the bank records of Hunter Biden’s business associates which have already revealed that over $1 million dollars were transferred from a Chinese energy company, State Energy HK Limited, through a Biden family associate John "Rob" Walker[1] and into accounts connected to President Biden's family -- specifically, Hunter, old Joe's crooked brother James, his daughter-in-law Hallie, and an account that's just named "Biden."

    That latter account got twice times as much at $70,000 as compared to what Beau Biden's widow received at $35,000.



    1. According to the New York Post, Walker is a former Clinton administration official whose wife, Betsy Massey Walker, was an assistant to second lady Jill Biden during Joe Biden’s vice presidency.
    The cat's out of the bag.

    This should be an interesting election - especially if Trump is indicted next week (as he expects to be).

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Ronson View Post

      The cat's out of the bag.

      This should be an interesting election - especially if Trump is indicted next week (as he expects to be).
      Two US presidents and two potential future presidential candidates involved in criminal investigations at the same time by opposing parties, and I'm told there's no sign of a civil war in the US.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by seanD View Post

        Two US presidents and two potential future presidential candidates involved in criminal investigations at the same time by opposing parties, and I'm told there's no sign of a civil war in the US.
        Not a civil war by conventional standards. But I can see an economic war, a war where the withholding of essentials like food and fuel takes place, urban versus non-urban combat. Our armed forces would be escorting or forcing goods to be delivered. Untrodden ground.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Ronson View Post
          I agree that the stories concerning the laptop were ill focused leading up to the election. I recall most of the buzz seemed to be about Hunter with a meth pipe in his mouth or videos of him with prostitutes. Those were not important.
          Well I'm glad we agree.

          What was important were the emails implicating his father; like his denied knowledge about Hunter's business deals
          I am not familiar with any laptop contents that suggest Joe Biden had any knowledge of Hunter's business dealings. Care to share?

          about 10% going to the "big guy", and confirmation by Tony Bobulinski.
          I addressed that one above. There was a draft suggested floated in one email, and immediately dropped in the next email, that perhaps they should give Joe Biden a 10% stake in a company they were considering forming. They didn't, and instead the five people forming the company got 20% stakes in it each.

          According to one of those 5 people who spoke to the media about it: The company allegedly subsequently made no money as the deal it was to be involved in never eventuated, and Joe Biden never knew about it.

          Research by the media in general on Hunter's business dealings shows that the vast majority of attempted deals he tried to make never panned out. He didn't seem to be very good at his consulting business.

          Like a felon possessing a gun and his drug use, filmed and available on his laptop?
          To me that belongs with the meth pipe and videos of him with prostitutes. It is politically non-relevant personal information about someone who is not themselves a public figure, obtained via a breach of their privacy.

          I didn't sanction eight investigations of Benghazi.
          Nope, but it's indicative of the Republican inclination to repeatedly investigate nothingburgers.

          Hillary was in charge of security there and people died. Nuff said.
          George W Bush was in charge of security of the US on 9/11 and people died. Nuff said? He was elected to serve a second term as president. So if people died under Hillary's watch, should she have been elected president too?
          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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          • #35
            Originally posted by seanD View Post
            Two US presidents and two potential future presidential candidates involved in criminal investigations at the same time by opposing parties, and I'm told there's no sign of a civil war in the US.
            Eh? What's the criminal investigation of Joe Biden?
            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              Well I'm glad we agree.

              I am not familiar with any laptop contents that suggest Joe Biden had any knowledge of Hunter's business dealings. Care to share?
              There have been various emails that would take me a while to dig up. This is a voicemail where Joe wants to speak to Hunter about a China business deal. Joe certainly knew about it (evidenced here) although whether or not they spoke later about it is unclear.

              https://nypost.com/2022/06/27/voicem...alings-report/

              I addressed that one above. There was a draft suggested floated in one email, and immediately dropped in the next email, that perhaps they should give Joe Biden a 10% stake in a company they were considering forming. They didn't, and instead the five people forming the company got 20% stakes in it each.
              https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...e-equity-deal/

              Biden business partner Tony Bobulinski, who was brought in to structure the deal, publicly identified “the Big Guy” as Joe Biden when the emails came to light in the run up to the 2020 election.

              Biden had told Bobulinksi that CEFC was “coming to be MY partner to be partners with the Bidens.” Bobulinksi told the press that Hunter had made millions off of China deals.


              According to one of those 5 people who spoke to the media about it: The company allegedly subsequently made no money as the deal it was to be involved in never eventuated, and Joe Biden never knew about it.

              Research by the media in general on Hunter's business dealings shows that the vast majority of attempted deals he tried to make never panned out. He didn't seem to be very good at his consulting business.
              I don't know what his batting average was, but he reportedly made millions of dollars in the successful deals.

              To me that belongs with the meth pipe and videos of him with prostitutes. It is politically non-relevant personal information about someone who is not themselves a public figure, obtained via a breach of their privacy.

              Nope, but it's indicative of the Republican inclination to repeatedly investigate nothingburgers.

              George W Bush was in charge of security of the US on 9/11 and people died. Nuff said? He was elected to serve a second term as president. So if people died under Hillary's watch, should she have been elected president too?
              If you want me to defend GW then you will be waiting a long while.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                especially if Trump is indicted next week (as he expects to be).
                Yes I was hearing that they had started negotiations about the how exactly the indictment in NYC would proceed. Apparently in criminal indictments the alleged felon is normally handcuffed when they are brought into the court, so there was some discussion of whether they could skip that apparently. (If someone in the media managed a photo of Trump in handcuffs, I am sure that would have political reverberations!) And Trump has secret service protection, so there was negotiations of how much of that would be needed around the courthouse etc.
                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  Yes I was hearing that they had started negotiations about the how exactly the indictment in NYC would proceed. Apparently in criminal indictments the alleged felon is normally handcuffed when they are brought into the court, so there was some discussion of whether they could skip that apparently. (If someone in the media managed a photo of Trump in handcuffs, I am sure that would have political reverberations!) And Trump has secret service protection, so there was negotiations of how much of that would be needed around the courthouse etc.
                  Based on what Trump is saying, I think he's looking forward to being arrested - saying he will turn himself in. He wants to use this to his advantage, to create an image of persecution and martyrdom. It will play well with his base at any rate.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                    There have been various emails that would take me a while to dig up. This is a voicemail where Joe wants to speak to Hunter about a China business deal. Joe certainly knew about it (evidenced here) although whether or not they spoke later about it is unclear.

                    https://nypost.com/2022/06/27/voicem...alings-report/
                    Eh? The voicemail is about a public NY Times article. It doesn't suggest Joe had any non-public knowledge of Hunter's business dealings.

                    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...e-equity-deal/

                    Biden business partner Tony Bobulinski, who was brought in to structure the deal, publicly identified “the Big Guy” as Joe Biden when the emails came to light in the run up to the 2020 election.

                    Biden had told Bobulinksi that CEFC was “coming to be MY partner to be partners with the Bidens.” Bobulinksi told the press that Hunter had made millions off of China deals.


                    I don't know what his batting average was, but he reportedly made millions of dollars in the successful deals.
                    The claims made by Bobulinksi in the article don't seem directly connected with any contents of the laptop. It seems to be a separate story to me.
                    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      Eh? The voicemail is about a public NY Times article. It doesn't suggest Joe had any non-public knowledge of Hunter's business dealings.
                      The NYT article is about a business deal. Joe said he had no knowledge of Hunter's business deals, but he is heard here on that very subject. If nothing else, he read the article so he knew more than he claimed. But this should be the tip of the iceberg.

                      The claims made by Bobulinksi in the article don't seem directly connected with any contents of the laptop. It seems to be a separate story to me.
                      Bobulinski provided his timestamped emails that corroborated Hunter's emails from his laptop, which added information about the 10% cut for the big guy.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                        He wants to use this to his advantage, to create an image of persecution and martyrdom. It will play well with his base at any rate.
                        I agree he thinks this. I'm not personally convinced it will play publically as well as he thinks it will though.

                        IMO many US conservatives have a persecution complex and they like to feel the world is out to get them, so Trump being a victim and being persecuted will make them feel good about themselves. I would tend towards considering it a mental disorder on their part.

                        But I don't think it will play well with normie independents. For the totally average person, who doesn't have any feeling of "Trump is my guy and he's being persecuted!" and is fairly apathetic about politics and just wondering who to vote for, someone being perp-walked looks bad. In most people's minds, criminals = bad, and so they don't vote for criminals.
                        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                          The NYT article is about a business deal. Joe said he had no knowledge of Hunter's business deals, but he is heard here on that very subject. If nothing else, he read the article so he knew more than he claimed. But this should be the tip of the iceberg.
                          If all of Joe's knowledge of Hunter's business deals comes from NYT articles, I think that is fine.

                          Bobulinski provided his timestamped emails that corroborated Hunter's emails from his laptop, which added information about the 10% cut for the big guy.
                          Any links on this?
                          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            If all of Joe's knowledge of Hunter's business deals comes from NYT articles, I think that is fine.
                            That is why I provided that link. It is the most obvious example that Biden knew about Hunter's business dealings - it is his voice discussing it. But no, that's not the only instance.

                            Any links on this?
                            Just that Bobulinski said he he turned over his evidence to the FBI and to "other whistleblowers." I don't have a link to the collection of their emails and text messages. They might exist online somewhere.

                            https://nypost.com/2022/11/18/ex-hun...st-sons-deals/

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              I agree he thinks this. I'm not personally convinced it will play publically as well as he thinks it will though.

                              IMO many US conservatives have a persecution complex and they like to feel the world is out to get them, so Trump being a victim and being persecuted will make them feel good about themselves. I would tend towards considering it a mental disorder on their part.

                              But I don't think it will play well with normie independents. For the totally average person, who doesn't have any feeling of "Trump is my guy and he's being persecuted!" and is fairly apathetic about politics and just wondering who to vote for, someone being perp-walked looks bad. In most people's minds, criminals = bad, and so they don't vote for criminals.
                              It's theater. He won't be convicted and it will generate a lot of media attention. I'm not sure independents will be swayed one way or the other by photos of Trump in handcuffs. But the fact that Trump offered to go to Manhattan and turn himself in suggests that HE thinks it will be a positive development.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                                That is why I provided that link. It is the most obvious example that Biden knew about Hunter's business dealings - it is his voice discussing it. But no, that's not the only instance.
                                Huh? The voice mail is just Joe saying he saw a piece about Hunter in the NY Times and wants to talk. It's not Joe discussing details of Hunter's business dealings.

                                Just that Bobulinski said he he turned over his evidence to the FBI and to "other whistleblowers." I don't have a link to the collection of their emails and text messages. They might exist online somewhere.

                                https://nypost.com/2022/11/18/ex-hun...st-sons-deals/
                                Right, so it's a guy of unknown credibility saying that he has information that's bad about Hunter and he alleges that he's given to to some investigators. Obviously this random guy's evidence could be anywhere on the spectrum from he's making it up, to not relevant, to extremely bad for Hunter (or even for Joe).

                                But that evidence isn't publicly available, and it isn't from the laptop. So it's a completely separate story.

                                Personally I have totally no issue thinking that Hunter Biden might have done some dodgy deals. The guy was a drug addict and had serious life issues. He probably liked to name-drop his father during negotiations too. But unless there's actually concrete evidence that his father was actually involved, it's not very relevant.

                                On the subject of fail-sons (and sons in-law) and their dodgy deals, I think the one that really really needs some serious further examination is Kushner and Qatar. Kushner had been looking for a bail-out from his foolish purchase of 666 5th Av in NY and was trying to pressure Qatar to bail him out, and in his role in Donald Trump's administration was majorly involved in middle east policy. The nation of Qatar just so happened to get subjected to a major blockade when they refused to bail Kushner out, and then after the blockade was ended, they bailed Kushner out. It strikes me that it might just be the worst misuse of government power in US history for personal financial gain. It nearly triggered a war in the middle east. I think the Dems dropped the ball badly by not giving that a full investigation. They were too busy focusing on Jan 6th. The Kushner stuff is more politically relevant than the Hunter Biden stuff because Trump actually appointed Kushner to a position in his administration, so he was a political figure.
                                Last edited by Starlight; 03-18-2023, 08:57 PM.
                                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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