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  • #16
    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    I think I figured out why he is suing Isaac. If he can establish that he owns the data on the laptop and Isaac released it illegally then he can stop all of the media from releasing any of the data or publishing any of it (or even having it), and sue them for what they have already released. That means they can only talk about the case peripherally and not publish anything from the laptop directly. The FBI can still investigate it but if he can get it out of the public eye, I bet he thinks it will fade into the background then he dad can get the investigation buried and then later we will just get a note from the FBI saying "there was nothing in there we could prosecute so we are dropping the investigation" just like they did with Hillary.
    Sparko, the media's had full copies of what's on the laptop now for years. There's literally nothing incriminating there. It's not the accounting book of a mobster as you creatively put it. It's contents are just not very interesting.

    It's one thing to be excited, before it's released, that it might turn out to reveal serious dirt on Hunter or Joe. But it's quite another thing, 2 years after it flopped, to think that it will suddenly reveal some sort of important evidence of criminality any day now.

    As far as I can see, the 9 page wikipedia article on controversies related to the laptop does not suggest a single thing or single topic that the laptop contains bad information about the Bidens with respect to.

    Are you hoping that someone will one day find My_Secret_Diary_File_Of_Massive_Crimes_Committed_W ith_My_Father.doc that previously everyone had completely overlooked?
    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      Sparko, the media's had full copies of what's on the laptop now for years. There's literally nothing incriminating there. It's not the accounting book of a mobster as you creatively put it. It's contents are just not very interesting.
      In spite of the good folks at TYT telling you this and you obediently parroting it, that simply is not true. The way that the left reacted to it demonstrates that. You don't go to such extraordinary lengths to silence and discredit something that's NBD.

      And aside from a small mountain of evidence that old Joe repeatedly lied through his dentures about knowing nothing about Hunter's business dealings, they demonstrate that "the Big Guy" was receiving a 10% cut for using the Biden name. Not only is there mention of that in the business papers on the lap top but emails to Hunter's sister has him complaining about it.

      This is the most nakedly corrupt Administration since Grant, but back then it was all of his associates whereas now the rot starts at the head.

      I'm always still in trouble again

      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Dimmbulb View Post
        As far as I can see, the 9 page wikipedia article...
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          Sparko, the media's had full copies of what's on the laptop now for years. There's literally nothing incriminating there. It's not the accounting book of a mobster as you creatively put it. It's contents are just not very interesting.
          Nothing incriminating or interesting? Seriously? Then why was it suppressed as Russian disinformation during the elections? It would mean the MSM, social media and YouTube were suppressing boring, non-incriminating real information, and having to admit that 2 years after the fact.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            This is the most nakedly corrupt Administration since Grant, but back then it was all of his associates whereas now the rot starts at the head.
            And this corruption is being protected by our wonderfully unbiased news media. If we had an honest news media, this wouldn't have happened.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
              In spite of the good folks at TYT telling you this and you obediently parroting it, that simply is not true. The way that the left reacted to it demonstrates that. You don't go to such extraordinary lengths to silence and discredit something that's NBD.
              I hate to break it to your Rogue, but the left has not gone to extraordinary lengths to silence and discredit it. Leftist outlets I follow can barely bring themselves to care about it at all.

              And aside from a small mountain of evidence that old Joe repeatedly lied through his dentures about knowing nothing about Hunter's business dealings, they demonstrate that "the Big Guy" was receiving a 10% cut for using the Biden name.
              Nope.

              When they were discussing setting up their business, one email floated the idea of the "the Big Guy" having a 10% ownership stake. In subsequent drafts of the proposed business structure that idea was dropped. One of the people involved has since stated that the project made no money and that Joe Biden had no involvement.

              Not only is there mention of that in the business papers on the lap top but emails to Hunter's sister has him complaining about it.
              News to me. Googling it now, it seems it's his daughter not sister. He complains in 2019 about having to "pay for everything for this entire family for 30 years". Which, seems rather an over-exaggeration since 30 years earlier he was only 19 and hadn't yet gone to law school. But in the following decade he became a high-earning banking executive, so indeed could probably afford to pay things for others in the family. There is indeed some email evidence to suggest he was indeed paying bills for others in his family.

              The practice of him paying family bills appears to long predate, by decades, the later international consulting work he got into that Republicans see as potentially corrupt. So I don't think emails/comments about him paying bills can reasonably be read as some form of kick-backs for Joe Biden from Hunter's international consulting work. Whatever the family dynamics are that had Hunter organizing bill payments (and it's not totally clear in the emails that it's always Hunter's own money paying the bills, as opposed to Hunter just managing family accounts out of which the bill payments come from), they long predated the consulting work.

              This is the most nakedly corrupt Administration since Grant, but back then it was all of his associates whereas now the rot starts at the head.
              Wow, that's over the top out there insane.
              I would say this is the most boring snooze fest of an administration in my lifetime.
              Last edited by Starlight; 03-18-2023, 08:09 AM.
              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Ronson View Post

                Nothing incriminating or interesting? Seriously? Then why was it suppressed as Russian disinformation during the elections? It would mean the MSM, social media and YouTube were suppressing boring, non-incriminating real information, and having to admit that 2 years after the fact.
                But... but Wikipedia said...
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                  Nothing incriminating or interesting? Seriously? Then why was it suppressed as Russian disinformation during the elections?
                  What little suppression there was occurred before the people suppressing it knew what was in it. Twitter thought it was Russian disinformation so suppressed it for a day before deciding it wasn't and ceasing to suppress it. NY Post refused to share the hard drive contents with other media outlets so those outlets got pissed at the NY Post and refused to write any stories about it that they couldn't verify because they didn't have access to the data on the laptop.

                  Literally nobody was like "we know what's in this laptop and it's bad for our side so we must suppress it!"

                  It would mean the MSM, social media and YouTube were suppressing boring, non-incriminating real information, and having to admit that 2 years after the fact.
                  The Twitter CEO reversed the suppression within 24 hours of it happening and publicly apologized. Not sure what more you want?

                  The MSM haven't quite got over being pissed at the NY Post for not sharing the actual data with them, but they've got to the point of admitting that it looks like the laptop is really Hunter's and that there's nothing much interesting in it.
                  "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                  "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                  "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
                    I hate to break it to your Rogue, but the left has not gone to extraordinary lengths to silence and discredit it. Leftist outlets I follow can barely bring themselves to care about it at all.
                    It's strange how leftist outlets can barely bring themselves to care about any story that exposes liberal corruption.
                    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                    Than a fool in the eyes of God


                    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                      It's strange how leftist outlets can barely bring themselves to care about any story that exposes liberal corruption.

                      TYT is by far the most anti-corruption outlet in US media, and they viciously critique liberal corruption weekly if not daily, just as they do conservative corruption. If the Hunter Biden laptop took down Joe, they would like that, because they're not fans of Joe. But there's just not any serious corruption story in the laptop, so they stick to things that are actually real.
                      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        What little suppression there was occurred before the people suppressing it knew what was in it. Twitter thought it was Russian disinformation so suppressed it for a day before deciding it wasn't and ceasing to suppress it. NY Post refused to share the hard drive contents with other media outlets so those outlets got pissed at the NY Post and refused to write any stories about it that they couldn't verify because they didn't have access to the data on the laptop.
                        That's a poor excuse: "I'm mad at you for not sharing evidence so I'm not going to run this story." The NYT does that all the time with their unnamed sources, and their leftist media comrades just run their stories as "according to the New York Times ..." In fact, it is so commonplace that whenever I see unnamed sources in any MSM story I will skim down and find "according to the New York Times ..." somewhere in the text.

                        Literally nobody was like "we know what's in this laptop and it's bad for our side so we must suppress it!"
                        That would require mindreading because no one is going to say that.

                        The Twitter CEO reversed the suppression within 24 hours of it happening and publicly apologized. Not sure what more you want?
                        I don't follow Twitter so I don't know specifically what they did, but it seemed (IIRC) they suppressed it for longer than that.

                        The MSM haven't quite got over being pissed at the NY Post for not sharing the actual data with them, but they've got to the point of admitting that it looks like the laptop is really Hunter's and that there's nothing much interesting in it.
                        That "it looks like"? Hunter admitted it is his, and he's now suing because of all the damning evidence of his misdeeds are all over the Internet.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                          It's strange how leftist outlets can barely bring themselves to care about any story that exposes liberal corruption.
                          Apparently the woke-ist left forced Bernie to recant, and not the MSM.

                          https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/13/u...enk-uygur.html

                          Bernie Sanders Retracts Endorsement of Cenk Uygur After Criticism

                          Mr. Sanders had said Mr. Uygur was “a voice we desperately need in Congress.” But many Democrats condemned the endorsement, citing Mr. Uygur’s history of offensive comments.

                          Cenk Uygur is running to fill the seat vacated by former Representative Katie Hill in California’s 25th Congressional District.Credit...Christian Monterrosa/Sipa, via Associated Press


                          By Jennifer Medina

                          Published Dec. 13, 2019Updated Jan. 24, 2020LOS ANGELES — Can an endorsement be put back in the bottle?

                          On Thursday, Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont endorsed Cenk Uygur, a progressive talk show host running for a California congressional seat who has a history of making offensivecomments about women, Jews, Muslims and other groups. But he withdrew the endorsement a day later, after facing considerable backlash for his decision, and after Mr. Uygur made an announcement of his own: He was no longer accepting endorsements of any kind...

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                            That's a poor excuse: "I'm mad at you for not sharing evidence so I'm not going to run this story."
                            I think if they thought there was actually any story there they would run it. WaPo did a story about the laptop a few months back just because the GOP had brought it up with respect to their congressional committee investigating it, and the WaPo's stuck it full of "I'm mad because this evidence wasn't properly shared with us".

                            The NYT does that all the time with their unnamed sources, and their leftist media comrades just run their stories as "according to the New York Times ..."
                            The other media sources clearly trust NY Times to do the fact-checking itself in a way they don't trust the NY Post. That's their call. Not necessarily one I would make given how gullible the NY Times was with Cheney's WMD's in Iraq story.

                            That would require mindreading because no one is going to say that.
                            No, I'm saying that none of the people who suppressed the story were in a position to know what was in the laptop. You don't have to mind-read them. They clearly didn't and couldn't know what was in it because they weren't in any position to know (unless you assume they could mindread).

                            I don't follow Twitter so I don't know specifically what they did, but it seemed (IIRC) they suppressed it for longer than that.
                            Nope, it was for a less than 24 hour period, 3 weeks before the election.

                            But the Republicans had quite a long cry over it because they wanted it to be a big story that tanked Joe Biden's election chances, and instead the story just flopped.

                            I think the flop was partially because there didn't seem to be any actual crimes uncovered, partially because the NY Post wasn't letting anyone else see the laptop contents to confirm them so other outlets were reluctant to run an unconfirmed story. I also recall things Tucker Carlson said and did led me to (wrongly) believe the laptop wasn't real, as he was getting hysterical about "proof" he'd had posted to him related to the laptop story that he was blaming UPS for deliberately stealing at the behest of Biden etc, and every time more details came out about the laptop story (e.g. that the computer repairman was "blind") they always seemed to sound increasingly absurd, so the whole thing sounded totally nuts at the time and I wrote it off. The laptop did turn out to be real, but the right-wing sure did themselves no favors at that time as their actions caused me and others to believe it wasn't real.

                            Hunter admitted it is his, and he's now suing because of all the damning evidence of his misdeeds are all over the Internet.
                            Damning evidence of his misdeeds? Like...? Are we still going with the email that briefly floated the idea of starting a business that his father had a 10% share in as a misdeed? Or the serious misdeed where he pays some bills for repairs to the family lake house?

                            There's just nothing there.

                            I mean, of course, that won't stop you or others. Republicans did 8 investigations of Benghazi, each of which found more of nothing than the previous one. I'm sure the lack of anything interesting in Hunter's laptop won't stop you theorizing about the massive crimes proven by it for the next decade at least.
                            Last edited by Starlight; 03-18-2023, 10:31 AM.
                            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                            • #29
                              (snipped, because I have nothing to contest)

                              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              I think the flop was partially because there didn't seem to be any actual crimes uncovered, partially because the NY Post wasn't letting anyone else see the laptop contents to confirm them so other outlets were reluctant to run an unconfirmed story. I also recall things Tucker Carlson said and did led me to (wrongly) believe the laptop wasn't real, as he was getting hysterical about "proof" he'd had posted to him related to the laptop story that he was blaming UPS for deliberately stealing at the behest of Biden etc, and every time more details came out about the laptop story (e.g. that the computer repairman was "blind") they always seemed to sound increasingly absurd, so the whole thing sounded totally nuts at the time and I wrote it off. The laptop did turn out to be real, but the right-wing sure did themselves no favors at that time as their actions caused me and others to believe it wasn't real.
                              I agree that the stories concerning the laptop were ill focused leading up to the election. I recall most of the buzz seemed to be about Hunter with a meth pipe in his mouth or videos of him with prostitutes. Those were not important. What was important were the emails implicating his father; like his denied knowledge about Hunter's business deals, about 10% going to the "big guy", and confirmation by Tony Bobulinski. These important stories were diluted.

                              Damning evidence of his misdeeds? Like...? Are we still going with the email that briefly floated the idea of starting a business that his father had a 10% share in as a misdeed? Or the serious misdeed where he pays some bills for repairs to the family lake house?

                              There's just nothing there.
                              Like a felon possessing a gun and his drug use, filmed and available on his laptop?

                              I mean, of course, that won't stop you or others. Republicans did 8 investigations of Benghazi, each of which found more of nothing than the previous one. I'm sure the lack of anything interesting in Hunter's laptop won't stop you theorizing about the massive crimes proven by it for the next decade at least.
                              I didn't sanction eight investigations of Benghazi. Hillary was in charge of security there and people died. Nuff said.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                                Nothing incriminating or interesting? Seriously? Then why was it suppressed as Russian disinformation during the elections? It would mean the MSM, social media and YouTube were suppressing boring, non-incriminating real information, and having to admit that 2 years after the fact.
                                It's also the tip of the iceberg. The House Oversight Committee recently obtained access to the bank records of Hunter Biden’s business associates which have already revealed that over $1 million dollars were transferred from a Chinese energy company, State Energy HK Limited, through a Biden family associate John "Rob" Walker[1] and into accounts connected to President Biden's family -- specifically, Hunter, old Joe's crooked brother James, his daughter-in-law Hallie, and an account that's just named "Biden."

                                That latter account got twice times as much at $70,000 as compared to what Beau Biden's widow received at $35,000.



                                1. According to the New York Post, Walker is a former Clinton administration official whose wife, Betsy Massey Walker, was an assistant to second lady Jill Biden during Joe Biden’s vice presidency.

                                I'm always still in trouble again

                                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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