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  • Iran and Saudi Arabia, BFF

    Holy cow! Here's a deal that could mean a whole lot of unsavorable developments for the US. Not that I would expect Iran and Saudi Arabia to become best of buddies (they'll probably just barely speak to each other) but more the fact that China brokered the deal. China?! They are seriously stepping up their geopolitical game now.

    https://thehill.com/policy/defense/3...-flags-for-us/

    An agreement struck by Iran and Saudi Arabia on Friday to re-establish relations has shifted concerns back to the state of the U.S. role in the Middle East — especially since the deal was brokered by Washington’s main adversary, China.

    The diplomatic agreement, reached after four days of talks with senior security officials in Beijing, eases tensions between the Middle East powers after seven years of hostilities.

    Both Iran and Saudi Arabia announced they will resume diplomatic relations and open up embassies once again in their respective nations within two months, according to a joint statement.

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    Welcome to a multi-polar world. Trump had some influence with the additional recognition of Israel, but Biden/Harris is a joke of an administration. Dems don't understand geopolitics.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
      Welcome to a multi-polar world. Trump had some influence with the additional recognition of Israel, but Biden/Harris is a joke of an administration. Dems don't understand geopolitics.
      I'm sure Israel considers this really bad news.

      But maybe not. Perhaps the Saudis can lower Iran's rhetoric. I mean, if the Saudis are good at anything it is diplomacy.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
        Welcome to a multi-polar world. Trump had some influence with the additional recognition of Israel, but Biden/Harris is a joke of an administration. Dems don't understand geopolitics.
        When Obama was president the Saudis started reaching out to the Chinese but that seemed to halt with the election of Trump. Now with old Joe in office, and especially after he tried to scuttle the Abraham Accords and repeated public slamming of their leadership (not that they don't deserve it), the Saudis are again talking to China.

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        • #5
          The slow global dedollarisation continues to accelerate. Right when inflation has hit and our debt market is on the verge of implosion all at the same time.

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          • #6
            Makes you wonder if the US was ever actually trying to broker a peace between those two.

            For anyone who wants more peace in the world, a peace deal seems like a good thing.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              Makes you wonder if the US was ever actually trying to broker a peace between those two.
              Well, no. The US has consistently tried to isolate Iran. In fact, IIRC, Soleimani was en route to Saudi Arabia on a peace mission when Trump blew him up.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                  carter.jpg

                  Changing reality
                  Well, those wide lapels really had to go.



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                  • #10
                    I remember being peeved at the time that Carter was spending so much time working on this détente while the US economy was tanking. Even more peeved when I discovered the peace deal involved the US to pay $BILLIONS to these two per year for eternity. I bet China isn't doing that.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                      I remember being peeved at the time that Carter was spending so much time working on this détente while the US economy was tanking. Even more peeved when I discovered the peace deal involved the US to pay $BILLIONS to these two per year for eternity. I bet China isn't doing that.
                      It's not so much smoothing relationships between Iran and the Saudis, it's the fact that China is pushing the two to oppose the dollar and trade in Yuan. Saudis have expressed intentions to move away from the dollar in trade, and we know Iran will gladly do so as well. US dollar as global reserve currency (particularly the petrodollar) is what has allowed us to print dollars like crazy, have huge deficits, and ever growing debt without inflation being that much of a problem (the principle being that as long as there's global demand for dollars, the dollar remains strong). This is rapidly changing with multiple middle east countries, aside from the BRIC countries.

                      The other interesting dynamic is how this will affect Israel's relationship with the Saudis. The two have always been sort of neutral towards each other. This can be a huge wedge between the two, especially considering Israel's current leadership is becoming much more aggressive and hostile towards the Palestinians. We could be looking at yet another potential world war scenario -- middle eastern countries vs. Israel and western countries. Of course, that too would depend on whether or not the Biden admin sides with Israel in such a scenario (which I think they will).

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by seanD View Post

                        It's not so much smoothing relationships between Iran and the Saudis, it's the fact that China is pushing the two to oppose the dollar and trade in Yuan. Saudis have expressed intentions to move away from the dollar in trade, and we know Iran will gladly do so as well. US dollar as global reserve currency (particularly the petrodollar) is what has allowed us to print dollars like crazy, have huge deficits, and ever growing debt without inflation being that much of a problem (the principle being that as long as there's global demand for dollars, the dollar remains strong). This is rapidly changing with multiple middle east countries, aside from the BRIC countries.

                        The other interesting dynamic is how this will affect Israel's relationship with the Saudis. The two have always been sort of neutral towards each other. This can be a huge wedge between the two, especially considering Israel's current leadership is becoming much more aggressive and hostile towards the Palestinians. We could be looking at yet another potential world war scenario -- middle eastern countries vs. Israel and western countries. Of course, that too would depend on whether or not the Biden admin sides with Israel in such a scenario (which I think they will).
                        I tend to think it will go in the other direction, that (if anything) the Saudis will have a calming influence on Iran - at least as far as rhetoric goes.

                        But considering that these two sponsor opposing militant Sunni and Shia groups, I don't see a lasting relationship at any rate. Any embassies being opened will be shuttered just as fast.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ronson View Post

                          I tend to think it will go in the other direction, that (if anything) the Saudis will have a calming influence on Iran - at least as far as rhetoric goes.

                          But considering that these two sponsor opposing militant Sunni and Shia groups, I don't see a lasting relationship at any rate. Any embassies being opened will be shuttered just as fast.
                          Unless the Saudis convince Iran from abandoning their nuclear program, it won't stop an Israel/Iran conflict. On top of that, Israel is moving aggressively against the Palestinians (and I expect them to forcefully seize west bank territory at some point, which will really pop things off in that region). A showdown between Israel and Iran seems pretty inevitable. The question is, will Saudis sit on the sideline, being that they now have ties with Iran, and being how aggressive Israel is moving against Palestinian factions.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by seanD View Post

                            Unless the Saudis convince Iran from abandoning their nuclear program, it won't stop an Israel/Iran conflict. On top of that, Israel is moving aggressively against the Palestinians (and I expect them to forcefully seize west bank territory at some point, which will really pop things off in that region). A showdown between Israel and Iran seems pretty inevitable. The question is, will Saudis sit on the sideline, being that they now have ties with Iran, and being how aggressive Israel is moving against Palestinian factions.
                            The success of the Abraham Accords was largely based on what the experts said was impossible -- namely uncoupling the Palestinian issue from all the other ones.

                            That the UAE, Bahrain, Sudan and Morocco were so quick to jump onboard after that was done is telling. It indicates that the rest of the Arab/Middle Eastern world is pretty much over the Palestinians and they are not nearly as important as they once were.

                            Of course that does not mean they can not still be used as an excuse.

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                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              The success of the Abraham Accords was largely based on what the experts said was impossible -- namely uncoupling the Palestinian issue from all the other ones.

                              That the UAE, Bahrain, Sudan and Morocco were so quick to jump onboard after that was done is telling. It indicates that the rest of the Arab/Middle Eastern world is pretty much over the Palestinians and they are not nearly as important as they once were.

                              Of course that does not mean they can not still be used as an excuse.
                              Seeing how everyone is reacting to the power play that Israel is making against Palestinians, I'm not so sure about that.

                              I will admit that even I fell for that peace accord. But considering that I believe we are in the stage of the 2nd seal of Rev, where peace is taken from the earth, I should have known that it was a false peace just based on my own eschatology. This may be what Paul talked about when he said "When they are saying peace and safety" in 1 Thess 5:3.

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