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Pro-Ukraine group may be responsible for the Pipeline espionage.

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  • #16
    Originally posted by seanD View Post
    Of course, right after the Seymour Hersh article -- "Quick guys, we need a damage control intelligence report to deflect from Hersh's report."

    One thing I'll say about Hersh, the man definitely has clout to get them to resort to this.
    I'm more inclined to trust someone like Hersh than our own intelligence agencies who spent at least three years blatantly lying to the US public about President Trump and the Russian Collusion Delusion.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

      I'm more inclined to trust someone like Hersh than our own intelligence agencies who spent at least three years blatantly lying to the US public about President Trump and the Russian Collusion Delusion.
      US has a whole lot more to lose if this information got out and it was believed by the international community than Hersh stands to win.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

        I'm more inclined to trust someone like Hersh than our own intelligence agencies who spent at least three years blatantly lying to the US public about President Trump and the Russian Collusion Delusion.
        The only reason you want to accpet MErsh is it fits your agenda. Neither has presented any objective evidence to reach a reliable conclusion. Mersh based his conclusion on an 'anonymous' source. The present objective evidence indicates an internal explosion of a 'pig' from Russia.
        Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
        Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
        But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

        go with the flow the river knows . . .

        Frank

        I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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        • #19
          Wait, I thought the leading conspiracy theory was that Russia blew up their own pipeline?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            Wait, I thought the leading conspiracy theory was that Russia blew up their own pipeline?
            That was before Sy Hersh's report. Apparently the guy has so much clout, narratives were forced to change.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              Wait, I thought the leading conspiracy theory was that Russia blew up their own pipeline?
              I believe it remains the most likely possibility is pro-Ukraine and/or anti-Putin rebels and not the governments themselves committed the sabotage not the governments themselves.
              Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
              Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
              But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

              go with the flow the river knows . . .

              Frank

              I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by seanD View Post

                That was before Sy Hersh's report. Apparently the guy has so much clout, narratives were forced to change.
                The current narrative based on the evidence has not changed. You keep pushing the Mersh report when the only evidence he has is an anonymous source and no evidence.
                Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                go with the flow the river knows . . .

                Frank

                I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post

                  The current narrative based on the evidence has not changed. You keep pushing the Mersh report when the only evidence he has is an anonymous source and no evidence.
                  I'm "pushing" the "Mersh" report here because his report seems to be the report that changed the US narrative from "Russia did it" to a "pro-Ukraine group" did it. I don't see any other reason for that rather drastic change of view otherwise, especially considering it indicts Ukrainians who are supposed to be the good guys in all this.

                  Though I did say that if there's evidence that it was done internally, then that would seem to be definitive proof that Russia did it, so I don't understand why US changed the narrative if that's true.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post

                    I believe it remains the most likely possibility is pro-Ukraine and/or anti-Putin rebels and not the governments themselves committed the sabotage not the governments themselves.
                    Aren't you pro-Ukraine and anti-Putin? Where were you on the night in question?
                    We know J6 wasn’t peaceful because they didn’t set the building on fire.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by alaskazimm View Post

                      Aren't you pro-Ukraine and anti-Putin? Where were you on the night in question?
                      Sarcasm noted. You're kind of somewhere with cow jumping over the moon.
                      Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                      Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                      But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                      go with the flow the river knows . . .

                      Frank

                      I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by seanD View Post

                        I'm "pushing" the "Mersh" report here because his report seems to be the report that changed the US narrative from "Russia did it" to a "pro-Ukraine group" did it. I don't see any other reason for that rather drastic change of view otherwise, especially considering it indicts Ukrainians who are supposed to be the good guys in all this.

                        Though I did say that if there's evidence that it was done internally, then that would seem to be definitive proof that Russia did it, so I don't understand why US changed the narrative if that's true.
                        Seems to be? The Mersh report changed nothing and is not reliable only citing an anonymous source. Yes, there is evidence that the source was from within Russia, but anti-Putin and Pro-Ukraine rebels are operating and committing sabotage in Russia.
                        Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                        Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                        But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                        go with the flow the river knows . . .

                        Frank

                        I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post

                          Seems to be? The Mersh report changed nothing and is not reliable only citing an anonymous source. Yes, there is evidence that the source was from within Russia, but anti-Putin and Pro-Ukraine rebels are operating and committing sabotage in Russia.
                          I honestly can't tell if you're misspelling Hersh's name intentionally or not. If you are, I guess it's pretty funny (though I don't know what the joke is). If you aren't, then that's kind of scary.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by seanD View Post

                            I honestly can't tell if you're misspelling Hersh's name intentionally or not. If you are, I guess it's pretty funny (though I don't know what the joke is). If you aren't, then that's kind of scary.
                            Sorry for the typo.
                            Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                            Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                            But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                            go with the flow the river knows . . .

                            Frank

                            I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by seanD View Post

                              I honestly can't tell if you're misspelling Hersh's name intentionally or not. If you are, I guess it's pretty funny (though I don't know what the joke is). If you aren't, then that's kind of scary.
                              smersh.jpg

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                                If that's why he was doing it, that would have been pretty darn clever, and it flew right over my head.

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