Pro-Ukraine group may be responsible for the Pipeline espionage.

[shunyadragon]

The investigation of the North Sea pipe sabotage is still ongoing, but at present the results indicate a Oro-Ukraine independent group is responsible.

Source: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-intelligence-pro-ukraine-group-nord-stream-pipeline-attacks-report

US intelligence says pro-Ukraine group behind Nord Stream pipeline attacks: report

Pro-Ukrainian groups might be behind Nord Stream pipeline blasts, report says

Nord Stream pipeline blast was likely sabotage, report claims


U.S. officials say new intelligence information suggests a pro-Ukrainian group was behind the sabotage attack on the Nord Stream pipelines last year, according to The New York Times.

The officials told the Times there’s no indication that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky or his top lieutenants were involved in the operation or that any of those responsible acted at the direction of the Ukrainian government. Mystery has swirled between Washington, London, Kyiv to Moscow on who might have been responsible for explosions along the pipelines designed to carry Russian gas to Germany under the Baltic Sea.

The multi-billion-dollar infrastructure projects have long been condemned by the West as national security threats in allowing Moscow to sell gas more easily to Europe.

RUSSIA URGES UN TO INVESTIGATE NORD STREAM EXPLOSION

Asked whether there are indications that a pro-Ukrainian group sabotaged the Nord Stream pipelines last summer, Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby told reporters Tuesday, "Several of our European partners -- in fact three off them: Germany, Sweden and Denmark -- have already opened investigations into what happened with the Nord Stream II Pipeline and those investigations are not closed. They are still hard at work on that. So, I'm just not going to get ahead of that investigative work and I would have to refer you to each of those European countries to comment on their investigations."
The Swedish Coast Guard released images of gas emanating from a leak on the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline in the Baltic Sea on Sept. 27, 2022. Leaks were detected after explosions were reported in suspected sabotage. (Swedish Coast Guard via Getty Images)

According to the Times, a review of the newly collected intelligence indicated the perpetrators were likely opponents of Russian President Vladimir Putin, "but does not specify the members of the group, or who directed or paid for the operation."

U.S. officials who reviewed the intelligence "have said that there are no firm conclusions" about the attack, "leaving open the possibility that the operation might have been conducted off the books by a proxy force with connections to the Ukrainian government or its security services," the Times reports. s )

Tuesday’s development comes after the White House last month dismissed a blog post from U.S. investigative journalist Seymour Hersh claiming President Biden had directed the attack.

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[seanD]

Of course, right after the Seymour Hersh article -- "Quick guys, we need a damage control intelligence report to deflect from Hersh's report."

One thing I'll say about Hersh, the man definitely has clout to get them to resort to this.

[shunyadragon]

Of course, right after the Seymour Hersh article -- "Quick guys, we need a damage control intelligence report to deflect from Hersh's report."

One thing I'll say about Hersh, the man definitely has clout to get them to resort to this.

Speculation based on an agenda.

[shunyadragon]

Of course, right after the Seymour Hersh article -- "Quick guys, we need a damage control intelligence report to deflect from Hersh's report."

One thing I'll say about Hersh, the man definitely has clout to get them to resort to this.

I reserve judgement in part. because this report did not present any specific evidence, which is modus operendi of FBI and other agency reports. Likrwise the Marsh report is even less reliable, because it ONLY contained accusations and specu;ation and no rvidence based on an actual investigation.

[seanD]

I reserve judgement in part. because this report did not present any specific evidence, which is modus operendi of FBI and other agency reports. Likrwise the Marsh report is even less reliable, because it ONLY contained accusations and specu;ation and no rvidence based on an actual investigation.

We can either rely on a bunch of intelligence buffoons that misidentified spy crafts, ending up (supposedly) shooting down civilian crafts multiple times, or rely on a seasoned journalist with a credible track record. I'll stick with the latter, though I had already believed US did it just based on common sense. Although I will admit, to think that the former managed to successfully pull that off has its credibility issues.

[shunyadragon]

We can either rely on a bunch of intelligence buffoons that misidentified spy crafts, ending up (supposedly) shooting down civilian crafts multiple times, or rely on a seasoned journalist with a credible track record. I'll stick with the latter, though I had already believed US did it just based on common sense. Although I will admit, to think that the former managed to successfully pull that off has its credibility issues.

Nonetheless Mersh failed absolutely to provide evidence to support his accusations and speculation. IF you can cite evidence he presented it would have some merit. He also remains a biased source as others may well be without evidence.

Actually the result of the investigation it is believed that the explosions were internal to the pipeline, which if true would virtually eliminate the USA as responsible. It would require Russia or an independent agent within Russia be the responsible party who have access to insert a 'pig' into the pipeline with explosives.

[seanD]

Nonetheless Mersh failed absolutely to provide evidence to support his accusations and speculation. IF you can cite evidence he presented it would have some merit. He also remains a biased source as others may well be without evidence.

Actually the result of the investigation it is believed that the explosions were internal to the pipeline, which if true would virtually eliminate the USA as responsible. It would require Russia or an independent agent within Russia be the responsible party who have access to insert a 'pig' into the pipeline with explosives.

How is Hersh a biased source? If anything, he's risking a great deal to publish something like that, including his health, with very little to no return.

And please provide a source that the explosions were "internal," whatever that means.

[shunyadragon]

How is Hersh a biased source? If anything, he's risking a great deal to publish something like that, including his health, with very little to no return.

Drawing conclusions without evidence indicates a bias. ALL investigative reporters have a bias.

And please provide a source that the explosions were "internal," whatever that means.

Watch the video in the reference provide. An investigative team from Sweden filmed the break, and gave evidence for an internal explosion meaning that something like the 'pig' inserted in the pipeline was the source of the explosions.

By the way the balloons shoot down were not claimed to be known identified objects. They were unknown objects that violated FAA flight rules and airspace, a danger to commercial aircraft. There are progressively improving methods to identify, monitor and deal with such craft in US air space.

[seanD]

Drawing conclusions without evidence indicates a bias. ALL investigative reporters have a bias.



Watch the video in the reference provide. An investigative team from Sweden filmed the break, and gave evidence for an internal explosion meaning that something like the 'pig' inserted in the pipeline was the source of the explosions.

By the way the balloons shoot down were not claimed to be known identified objects. They were unknown objects that violated FAA flight rules and airspace, a danger to commercial aircraft. There are progressively improving methods to identify, monitor and deal with such craft in US air space.

Then it hardly makes sense to concoct a "pro-Ukraine group" story if that were true, because that's pretty strong evidence supporting Russia's involvement if true.

[Mountain Man]

Of course, right after the Seymour Hersh article -- "Quick guys, we need a damage control intelligence report to deflect from Hersh's report."

One thing I'll say about Hersh, the man definitely has clout to get them to resort to this.

This is one of those cases where both reports are likely true: that a pro-Ukraine group coordinating with the US military carried out the operation.

[shunyadragon]

Then it hardly makes sense to concoct a "pro-Ukraine group" story if that were true, because that's pretty strong evidence supporting Russia's involvement if true.

This is the reason I consider it unresolved.

One problem with Seymour Mesh's conclusion is he based his conclusion on an 'anonymous' source. This is as bad as the present state of the claims of US Intelligence agencies.

Things are so loose and incompetent in Russia it is possible Ukrainian/Russian anti-Putin agents could be responsible. There is a lot of internal descent in Russia that has lead to sabotage elsewhere.

[Ronson]

This is one of those cases where both reports are likely true: that a pro-Ukraine group coordinating with the US military carried out the operation.

One can accurately say that the Biden Administration is a "pro-Ukraine group."

[shunyadragon]

One can accurately say that the Biden Administration is a "pro-Ukraine group."

. . . but not what report referred to and the strong possibility that it happened within Russia, because of the need to insert a bomb in the pipeline via a 'pig' (Internal testing, monitoring, and cleaning tool used in pipelines.)

[shunyadragon]

This is one of those cases where both reports are likely true: that a pro-Ukraine group coordinating with the US military carried out the operation.

Pure speculation and not likely, because it was likely inserted in Russia. Do you have any evidence or objective basis for this accusation?

Actually there is enough hostile factions in Russia already committing sabotage to do this.

[shunyadragon]

This is one of those cases where both reports are likely true: that a pro-Ukraine group coordinating with the US military carried out the operation.

There are no reliable 'reports' based on the evidence that the USA was involved.