CRT isn't in schools.

[Diogenes]

It's solid reputation for lying and deceptive video editing? It certainly has that. I'm not sure anyone at all outside the far-right takes it at all seriously anymore.

The first observation I'm going to make is that critical race theory is a university level subject that is optional for law students at top law schools. I genuinely have no idea what is meant by the idea of it being 'taught' to young kids, because you obviously can't teach an advanced university subject to young kids, and furthermore I don't think anyone on the right has any clear idea of what it is supposed to refer to either.

Imagine replacing the words "critical race theory" in his claim with "university level calculus". How do you assess a claim someone makes that claims they are teaching "university level calculus" in kindergarten. Such a claim is obviously, self-evidently false. They are not now, nor can they ever, teach university level calculus to kindergarten kids, because the subject is just too advanced for kids of that age can handle. There could be 100 videos of "experts" saying they had university level calculus in their kindergarten curriculum and I still wouldn't believe that they actually did.

So my overall assessment of the claim that critical race theory is being taught to kids, is that the people claiming this are imbeciles who are spouting nonsense.

My best guess at what people on the right who are using the words "critical race theory" and "taught to kids" in the same context, think they mean by those words, is something vaguely along the lines of "there is a reference to race in the material being taught". This appears to be just the latest dog-whistle for racists and white supremacists. The idea is that there is never allowed to be any reference to race whatsoever in school curricula, because any schools teaching anything at all that might conflict with their home-taught indoctrination that whites are superior and black people are never mistreated and just have it bad because they're bad people, is viewed as completely unacceptable by the racists.

So I generally tend to view the people wailing about critical race theories in schools as racist imbeciles who can't even use the English language well enough to use a coherent term for what they are trying to refer to and instead insist ton using the university level term 'critical race theory' to refer to something completely different and extremely ill-defined. But, then, they need to use a fake term if the point is to try and hide their racism.

So one admits to rebranding CRT and stating they sold it to schools means it's not in schools.

Even Kindergarten is target for CRT. Oh look, it's even in conference material. Private schools even make parents sign pledges. A critical race theory of education as been a project since 1995. You keep claiming you know so much knowledge about the US and yet you demonstrably don't.

Tried to copy/past this to the previous reply....didn't make it.

[Machinist]

Is there a counter argument to what I mentioned earlier? The whole thing about every race in history has at one point enslaved other races.

It seemed pretty simple, like a slam dunk and/or mic drop.

If it is that simple, why does the CRT ideology persist today? It's just a simple thing to understand that every other race in history is also guilty. Now, if this is an historical fact...I don't know...I'm really confused how this can even be a thing if all it takes is a quick look into history. Which makes me suspicious that maybe there is a counter argument.

[rogue06]

Why not just removed books that would be banned due to....checks the article. containing pornography or not being ag-appropriate? The only ones hiding the books would be teachers who have something to hide and thus those individuals would be the ones taking away all the books, not the government. No where does the law say children can't have books. If pornographic and inappropriate books aren't in schools, what's there to hide or what's the big deal banning them? If anything Manatee County needs to have all the classrooms searched for inappropriate books as they seem to have something the feel they need to hide.

The Left is making a big deal precisely because they think these kinds of books SHOULD be in schools.

For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

I figure the odds are 3-to-1 in favor that they'll uncover some classified documents.

[rogue06]

Is there a counter argument to what I mentioned earlier? The whole thing about every race in history has at one point enslaved other races.

It seemed pretty simple, like a slam dunk and/or mic drop.

If it is that simple, why does the CRT ideology persist today? It's just a simple thing to understand that every other race in history is also guilty. Now, if this is an historical fact...I don't know...I'm really confused how this can even be a thing if all it takes is a quick look into history. Which makes me suspicious that maybe there is a counter argument.

It's pretty much the same as if you search hard enough you'll find both slaves and slave owners in your family tree.

[Diogenes]

For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

I figure the odds are 3-to-1 in favor that they'll uncover some classified documents.

If Joe was ever a snowbird, he'd forget to fly north for the summer.

[Machinist]

It's pretty much the same as if you search hard enough you'll find both slaves and slave owners in your family tree.

I would like to hear a counter argument, maybe from Star.

From what I understand, Africans were just as complicit in the slave trade as whites.

To me, that just seems like a neat and concise end to the entire argument.

[rogue06]

I would like to hear a counter argument, maybe from Star.

From what I understand, Africans were just as complicit in the slave trade as whites.

To me, that just seems like a neat and concise end to the entire argument.

In spite of common movie depictions, European slavers rarely did the dirty work themselves. Much easier and safer (and guaranteed of success) to simply buy captives taken by this or that tribe.

I'll add that even today slavery is an issue in parts of Africa.

[oxmixmudd]

I would like to hear a counter argument, maybe from Star.

From what I understand, Africans were just as complicit in the slave trade as whites.

To me, that just seems like a neat and concise end to the entire argument.

I'm not sure what you are getting at. The oppression of Black people in this country began with slavery and continues to this day in the form of institutionalized or systemic racism. Black people - as a group, statistically - in this country are less educated, poorer, and have less opportunity because of the that history of oppression and its legacy. That is the 'cause' of the disparity in the multitudinous forms it takes. Trying to fix that is complex and often frustrating, because as a consequence of that history there are, in fact, cultural and environmental factors that are part of both the white and the black communities that help propagate that inequity generation to generation without the need for any overt influence. But that does not change the fact that its cause is hundreds of years of slavery, followed by over 100 years of oppression after slavery was abolished. And it does not change the fact that actions must be taken by those with the power, and the wealth to allow for those without the power and without the wealth to have equal access to it. And that doesn't just mean removing the overt barriers like seperate but equal or granting the right to vote. You still have to change the environment that propagates the condition.

[Machinist]

I'm not sure what you are getting at. The oppression of Black people in this country began with slavery and continues to this day in the form of institutionalized or systemic racism. Black people in this country are less educated, poorer, and have less opportunity because of the that history of oppression and its legacy. That is the 'cause' of the disparity in the multitudinous forms it takes. How to fix that is very difficult, because as a consequence of that history there are, in fact, cultural and environmental factors that are part of both the white and the black community\o\ies that help propagate that inequity generation to generation. But that does not change the fact that its cause is hundreds of years of slavery, followed by over 100 years of oppression after slavery was abolished. And it does not change the fact that actions must be taken by those with the power, and the wealth to allow for those without the power and without the wealth to have equal access to it. And that doesn't just mean removing the overt barriers like seperate but equal or granting the right to vote. You still have to change the environment that propagates the condition.

I don't know exactly, or the big picture is not that clear to me.

[oxmixmudd]

In spite of common movie depictions, European slavers rarely did the dirty work themselves. Much easier and safer (and guaranteed of success) to simply buy captives taken by this or that tribe.

I'll add that even today slavery is an issue in parts of Africa.

This is all very much irrelevant, and in fact (without any sort of accusation of you personally) is the sort of argument that white supremacists use to deny the problem, or divert attention from it.

[oxmixmudd]

I think major bleeding-heart cities should follow the San Francisco model, giving million of LOCAL taxpayer dollars to whiny minorities. Those tax dollars are from the Leftists and city-dwelling elitists with the bleeding hearts, so they should pay "reparations" (although it sounds more like extortion to me). That is where this CRT garbage is heading anyway. Then the rest of us in the suburbs and rural areas are free to ignore their stupidity.

Giving money to individuals will not solve the problem. But that doesn't mean there isn't a problem, or that a great deal of taxpayer money may yet need to be spent to rectify it.

[seer]

This is all very much irrelevant, and in fact (without any sort of accusation of you personally) is the sort of argument that white supremacists use to deny the problem, or divert attention from it.

No, it isn't irrelevant, facts are never irrelevant...

[seer]

...or that a great deal of taxpayer money may yet need to be spent to rectify it.

You mean besides the trillions of dollars that flowed into the inner cities since the 'Great Society?"

[oxmixmudd]

No, it isn't irrelevant, facts are never irrelevant...

That's ridiculous. What is true is that facts are always facts, But they most certainly can be irrelevant to a specific topic or discussion. The fact the world has always had slavery has almost no relevance as to whether or not the legacy of slavery in the US has kept black people in the US oppressed relative to whites, and certainly is irrelevant as to the morality of slavery.

[oxmixmudd]

You mean besides the trillions of dollars that flowed into the inner cities since the 'Great Society?"

Obviously - because that was a failed solution. So it would be wise to stop spending money on things that don't work, but at the same time, the solution will still likely cost a lot more money.