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  • #61
    Originally posted by Ronson View Post
    When I Google the subject, I come up mostly with MSM opinion pieces and commentary about Republicans being pedophiles, which is predictable since Republicans are the enemy of the MSM.
    A simpler explanation could be that there's a real difference in behavior between the members of the two parties.

    But logically, Democrats author legislation that supports and defends the weirder sexual "orientation" demographics, so it is reasonable to expect they are also practicing in those areas.
    I think the logic of it is that Republicans repress themselves in these areas and so their behavioral outlets for it become more extreme transgressions. Democrats allow themselves a bit more freedom and the result is less of a pent-up desire to perform taboo behavior.
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    • #62
      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      ....The now-disbanded NAMBLA?
      They're still around.

      The group no longer holds regular national meetings, and as of the late 1990s—to avoid local police infiltration—the organization discouraged the formation of local chapters.


      Soto, Onell R. (2005). 'FBI targets pedophilia advocates: Little-known group promotes 'benevolent' sex Archived March 25, 2005, at the Wayback Machine', San Diego Union-Tribune, February 18.
      Last edited by Cow Poke; 01-30-2023, 07:01 AM.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        Yet another right-wing conspiracy theory bites the dust...

        Remember back to the Russia Investigation of Trump, and the claims by the right that it was a witch-hunt and the glee with which they had that Barr and Durham were going to 'investigate the investigators' and find all the wrongdoing by the FBI who were doing a political-motivated investigation?

        Years later, that counter-investigation has now ended. It found no political motives in the FBI, no interference by Democrats with FBI investigations, and achieved no successful prosecutions on the subject of the original investigation.

        And when searching the world for evidence to show wrongdoing against Trump, Durham actually came across evidence from Italian officials that Trump was involved in criminal financial activity. So he was forced to expand his investigation that was supposed to be helping Trump, into an investigation of Trump. Whoops.

        Yet another right-wing conspiracy goes down in flames. Not only was the FBI investigating Trump's wrongdoings behaving properly, but the investigation of the investigators actually uncovered further wrongdoing by Trump. Given Trump is currently facing 3-4 simultaneous serious criminal investigations involving well-evidenced wrongdoing, it seems there is no bottom to that well, and that Durham by mistake tripped over even more evidence against Trump, whoops.


        Your regular reminder that the Republicans are the party of criminals, and the Dems the party of law & order... here is the number of indictments against administration officials in each Presidential administration:

        CriminalIndictmentsOfOfficials.jpg
        Some people seem to just like to vote for the crime-party.
        Well butter my behind and call me a biscuit! The government investigated itself and found itself innocent! Whoda thunkit?

        Now take your chart and change Indictments to convictions and let's see what it says.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          But not the general?
          General elections are more a complicated political calculus which includes what would the individual support on the broader level as far as the proposals of other legislators. Politics is never just local, even local elections get people onto the political ladder.


          I think the SCOTUS decisions to allow money in politics have introduced devastating levels of corruption to the US political system. So I would understand and support single-issue voting for a Democratic president so that enough anti-corruption judges are appointed to overturn the various SCOTUS decisions that have opened the floodgates of corruption (Citizens United, McCutcheon, Valeo, Bellotti etc).

          To choose between overturning Citizens United or Roe v Wade to allow European-level of abortion limits, I'd prefer the latter. It's not just a matter of a single issue but rather judicial philosophy in regard to SCOTUS. Again, as an expert on the US, you should understand that already.



          Someone wanting to nominate more Republican SCOTUS justices, when Republicans (IIRC) have had a majority on SCOTUS for ~50 years straight and the SCOTUS is now the most conservative it has been for 90 years, is not however a position that makes any sense to me for any remotely self-proclaimed centrist or left-of-centrist to be taking.

          As I have maintained, above all, I'm a pragmatist and realist. My personal political ideology or opinions is immaterial in determining form whom I would vote if I were to vote at all.



          I'm going to assume that comment's not meant in a direct racist way, and instead has something to do with your obsessions with critical theory (though since attacking critical race theory is the latest racist dog-whistle, I'm not sure there's a big difference).
          This is why people would call you an idiot despite your intelligence.



          I don't personally know much about KBJ other than she was regarded as pretty liberal. IMO it doesn't much matter how liberal she is given even the other Democratic appointed justices tend to be fairly moderate in their opinions, so even if KBJ's off some deep end like Alito is, she won't have the votes to back her up.
          She allegedly doesn't know what a woman is and is trying to inject equity in to ideology of the Founding Fathers. She's in the same vein as Ibram Kendi.



          My IQ leads me to question the apparent insanity of your statement that implies it's common for leftist politicians to advocate for legalization of pedophilia, given they don't and haven't done so.
          For all your IQ, you can't even identify a hyperbolic hypothetical. Only one side is bemoaning the banning of books that depict drawings of minors engaging in sex as in the case of the book Gender Queer. The other side is doing the banning.



          People so stunningly famous and influential among leftists that despite listening to many thousands of hours of US progressives talk about politics and culture, that I've never heard them mention those names even once.
          Politics is downstream from culture which is downstream of academia, engaging in the genetic fallacy does not negate threat. This is why I constantly sarcastically bring up your alleged expertise on the US.



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          • #65
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

            They're still around.

            The group no longer holds regular national meetings, and as of the late 1990s—to avoid local police infiltration—the organization discouraged the formation of local chapters.


            Soto, Onell R. (2005). 'FBI targets pedophilia advocates: Little-known group promotes 'benevolent' sex Archived March 25, 2005, at the Wayback Machine', San Diego Union-Tribune, February 18.
            Another fact check on him. Expect him to actually ignore it, just as his false statement that ONLY GOP members were caught or investigated as pedophiles.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

              Another fact check on him. Expect him to actually ignore it, just as his false statement that ONLY GOP members were caught or investigated as pedophiles.
              We had a whole thread on that -- JimL and (was it Shuny?) were furiously defending NAMBLA, with Jim claiming they were only interested in lowering the age of consent, and Shuny denying there was ever any acceptance of NAMBLA by the GLBQ+ (whatever it was at that time) crowd.

              NAMBLA was, initially, part of the GayLesbian Coalition, until NAMBLA got such bad press that they got kicked out.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #67
                Just to be more specific so Starlight doesn't H_A me: He specifically claimed: "its only Republican federal politicians who have ever been suspected or found guilty of pedophilia, never Democrats as far as I am aware."

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
                  The best time to vote for a Democrat is in the primary. My issue with voting third parties is if one cares enough to vote in a two party dominated system, one should vote for the lesser of two evils. I have no issue with not voting. I'm glad Trump won in 2016 and was able to nominate three SCOTUS justices though there are decisions I would even agree with RBG.
                  I've voted for both Republicans and Democrats and given how for a couple of decades my state was pretty red I often voted for Third Party candidates for president since the Republican was going to win although that has recently changed again.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    They're still around.

                    The group no longer holds regular national meetings, and as of the late 1990s—to avoid local police infiltration—the organization discouraged the formation of local chapters.
                    Hmm. Your quote and your comment don't really seem to match well. Not having local meetings and not having national ones would not lead me to describe a group as 'still around'. Maybe the people who were once members of the group still themselves exist, but if the group's neither local nor national it wouldn't seem to exist as a group.
                    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
                      Just to be more specific so Starlight doesn't H_A me: He specifically claimed: "its only Republican federal politicians who have ever been suspected or found guilty of pedophilia, never Democrats as far as I am aware."
                      Yep. You do seem to have successfully found one Dem federal politician who was convicted of pedophilia, Mel Reynolds, 27 years ago. As far as I can tell, your other few examples aren't in that category. Thanks for the research.

                      I think that finding reinforces, rather than disproves, the broader point that the Republican politicians appear to have committed this crime more often than Dem politicians have, and that this seems an empirical difference between the two parties.
                      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        Hmm. Your quote and your comment don't really seem to match well. Not having local meetings and not having national ones would not lead me to describe a group as 'still around'. Maybe the people who were once members of the group still themselves exist, but if the group's neither local nor national it wouldn't seem to exist as a group.
                        You're misreading it - it's not that they don't have local meetings - it's that they don't encourage local chapters. This appears to be a growing thing, as even organizations like Turning Point USA doesn't have "chapters" - they have "groups".
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          Yep. You do seem to have successfully found one Dem federal politician who was convicted of pedophilia, Mel Reynolds, 27 years ago. As far as I can tell, your other few examples aren't in that category. Thanks for the research.

                          I think that finding reinforces, rather than disproves, the broader point that the Republican politicians appear to have committed this crime more often than Dem politicians have, and that this seems an empirical difference between the two parties.
                          The dem congressman who tried to force himself on an underage girl in Zaire didn't count?
                          The Demo Congressman who got caught sexing a 15 year old didn't count?

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                            Well butter my behind and call me a biscuit! The government investigated itself and found itself innocent! Whoda thunkit?

                            Now take your chart and change Indictments to convictions and let's see what it says.
                            Like I said, Durhman's investigation did precisely what it was supposed to do. Anybody who thinks it failed simply hasn't been paying attention.
                            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                            Than a fool in the eyes of God


                            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
                              The dem congressman who tried to force himself on an underage girl in Zaire didn't count?
                              The Demo Congressman who got caught sexing a 15 year old didn't count?
                              Bill Clinton showed us that a Democrat can pretty well get away with anything in the realm of sexual misconduct.
                              He actually did things as POTUS in the White House that Trump was accused of in his private life.

                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                                Like I said, Durhman's investigation did precisely what it was supposed to do. Anybody who thinks it failed simply hasn't been paying attention.
                                Goober: I'm gonna go pretend to be fishing - I don't really wanna catch anything, cause then I'll have to clean it.
                                Clem: [that night] Hey, Goob - did ya catch anything this morning?
                                Goober: My fishing expedition was entirely successful!
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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