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  • #46
    Originally posted by Ronson View Post
    That's why an investigation needs to take place. Because we know he is guilty of selling influence - and now we discover he's had access to classified documents.
    I expect that Special Counsel Robert Hur's investigation would cover that:

    Earlier today, I signed an order appointing Robert Hur as Special Counsel for the matter I have just described. The document [order] authorizes him to investigate whether any person or entity violated the law in connection with this matter.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

      I couldn't be sure. You seem all over the place to me.
      Ideologically I consider myself slightly left of centre. However, as a pragmatist and realist, I have no issue aligning politically with the right, especially as the Left keeps pushing the Overton Window further and further left. If I had to choose between voting for an open Christian nationalist or someone who openly wanted to decriminalise adult-minor relationship, I'd have no problem voting for the Cristian nationalist. Third parties are at best distractions and at worst spoilers.
      P1) If , then I win.

      P2)

      C) I win.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        I do think Noam Chomsky makes a pretty decent argument when he argues that by the standards used in the Nuremberg trials, every post-WWII US president would get a death sentence for war crimes.

        One thing I do think it's worth given Biden credit for is dialing drone-warfare down to almost zero. Obama was a massive user of drones to fairly indiscriminately kill people. Trump ramped it up even hugely more, as well as ordering the military to stop reporting the stats. Biden has dialed it right back down to near-zero as well as reinstated reporting of the number of drone strikes done.
        Sounds like a good thing. Drones have their place, but I think they have the potential to isolate us from the true cost of war, and as a result could make it easier to take action when we should not.
        My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

        If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

        This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
          Ideologically I consider myself slightly left of centre... Third parties are at best distractions and at worst spoilers.
          Do those statements mean that you vote for Democratic candidates more often than Republican ones?

          However, as a pragmatist and realist, I have no issue aligning politically with the right, especially as the Left keeps pushing the Overton Window further and further left. If I had to choose between voting for an open Christian nationalist or someone who openly wanted to decriminalise adult-minor relationship, I'd have no problem voting for the Cristian nationalist.
          What a strange statement. Has that ever come up for you?

          People's definitions of Christian nationalism vary, but I don't think anyone would deny that there aren't some Christian nationalists who run in Republican primaries. Depending on their definition, they might think there are elected Republican Christian nationalists .

          But decriminalizing adult-minor relationships? There was one libertarian candidate who wanted that. Apart from that, I'm scratching my head. I've not heard of anyone in politics on the left advocating that.

          Those suspected, or guilty of, adult-minor relationships have all been right-wing politicians as far as I am aware. E.g. Roy Moore, and Matt Gaetz recently. Going back a bit further, there was Dennis Hastert. All Republicans. In my own country the only one that comes to mind was the leader of a right-wing Christian party. For whatever reason, leftist politicians just don't seem to commit pedophilia the way right-wing politicians do. Offhand I can't think of a single left-wing politician at the national level in the US ever credibly accused of such, never mind who ever advocated for the legality of such. (That's part of what make QAnon so hilarious, they pretend its Democrats doing pedophilia)
          Last edited by Starlight; 01-29-2023, 10:06 PM.
          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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          • #50
            Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

            Sounds like a good thing. Drones have their place, but I think they have the potential to isolate us from the true cost of war, and as a result could make it easier to take action when we should not.
            And it's not inconceivable that a drone can be hijacked by the enemy with no onboard pilot to resist.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Diogenes View Post

              Ideologically I consider myself slightly left of centre. However, as a pragmatist and realist, I have no issue aligning politically with the right, especially as the Left keeps pushing the Overton Window further and further left. If I had to choose between voting for an open Christian nationalist or someone who openly wanted to decriminalise adult-minor relationship, I'd have no problem voting for the Cristian nationalist. Third parties are at best distractions and at worst spoilers.
              As I've said before, the very nature of a "progressive" forces him always to move further left, or he's no longer "progressing". It's sad watching the left try to outleft one another.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                Do those statements mean that you vote for Democratic candidates more often than Republican ones?

                What a strange statement. Has that ever come up for you?

                People's definitions of Christian nationalism vary, but I don't think anyone would deny that there aren't some Christian nationalists who run in Republican primaries. Depending on their definition, they might think there are elected Republican Christian nationalists .

                But decriminalizing adult-minor relationships? There was one libertarian candidate who wanted that. Apart from that, I'm scratching my head. I've not heard of anyone in politics on the left advocating that.

                Those suspected, or guilty of, adult-minor relationships have all been right-wing politicians as far as I am aware. E.g. Roy Moore, and Matt Gaetz recently.
                Suspected? Please. Gaetz denied it. Prosecutors dropped the case. Typical Leftist tactic, though. Like the Russia-gate carp, just keep repeating and insisting that it's true and enough people will believe it.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                  Suspected? Please. Gaetz denied it. Prosecutors dropped the case.
                  Also don't forget his son Nestor from a previous suspected-underaged relationship. It's not like Gaetz has only 1 case of suspected-pedophilia.

                  Like the Russia-gate carp, just keep repeating and insisting that it's true and enough people will believe it.
                  Whether or not Gaetz is guilty doesn't seem to change that its only Republican federal politicians who have ever been suspected or found guilty of pedophilia, never Democrats as far as I am aware. Including the longest-serving Republican Speaker of the House in history, Dennis Hastert. I saw an interview with a political historian the other week which touched on Hastert, and he reckoned some of the others in Republican leadership knew Hastert's guilty secret and that that was part of why they chose him for speaker because the knew that having dirt on him would given them control over him.
                  "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                  "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                  "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                    And it's not inconceivable that a drone can be hijacked by the enemy with no onboard pilot to resist.
                    Maybe if quantum computing will allow for the cracking of large key cryptographic commincations. I tend to think there is a pretty low risk of that happening. However, If they are flown by humans remotely, they could perhaps be jammed.

                    My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                    If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                    This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

                      Maybe if quantum computing will allow for the cracking of large key cryptographic commincations. I tend to think there is a pretty low risk of that happening. However, If they are flown by humans remotely, they could perhaps be jammed.
                      It becomes reminiscent of the old Mad Magazine Spy vs Spy.

                      spy vs spy.png
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        Also don't forget his son Nestor from a previous suspected-underaged relationship. It's not like Gaetz has only 1 case of suspected-pedophilia.

                        Whether or not Gaetz is guilty doesn't seem to change that its only Republican federal politicians who have ever been suspected or found guilty of pedophilia, never Democrats as far as I am aware. Including the longest-serving Republican Speaker of the House in history, Dennis Hastert. I saw an interview with a political historian the other week which touched on Hastert, and he reckoned some of the others in Republican leadership knew Hastert's guilty secret and that that was part of why they chose him for speaker because the knew that having dirt on him would given them control over him.


                        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Reynolds
                        Melvin Reynolds (born January 8, 1952) is an American politician from Illinois. A member of the Democratic Party, he served in the United States House of Representatives from 1993 to 1995. He resigned in October 1995 after a jury convicted him of sexual assault charges related to sex with an underage campaign worker.[1][2]

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          Also don't forget his son Nestor from a previous suspected-underaged relationship. It's not like Gaetz has only 1 case of suspected-pedophilia.

                          Whether or not Gaetz is guilty doesn't seem to change that its only Republican federal politicians who have ever been suspected or found guilty of pedophilia, never Democrats as far as I am aware. Including the longest-serving Republican Speaker of the House in history, Dennis Hastert. I saw an interview with a political historian the other week which touched on Hastert, and he reckoned some of the others in Republican leadership knew Hastert's guilty secret and that that was part of why they chose him for speaker because the knew that having dirt on him would given them control over him.
                          Don't forget Anthony Wiener
                          Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Weiner


                          In September 2016, claims were published that Weiner had engaged in sexting with a 15-year-old girl from North Carolina, and devices owned by Weiner were seized as part of an investigation into this incident.[72][73] The report prompted a criminal investigation and Weiner's laptop was seized. Emails that were pertinent to the Hillary Clinton email controversy were discovered on the laptop; this prompted FBI Director James Comey to reopen that investigation eleven days before the 2016 US presidential election.[74]Hillary Clinton said Comey's decision was one of the reasons she lost the election to Donald Trump.[75]

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                          Or Gus Savage:
                          Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gus_Savage


                          In 1989, Savage was accused of trying to force himself on a female Peace Corps worker in Zaire.[4] He denied the allegations and blamed them on the "racist press." The House Ethics Committee decided that the events did indeed occur,[5] but it did not take disciplinary action only because Savage wrote a letter of apology.

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                          You also forget the Megadonors of the democrats, (Well, carefully worded so as to exclude them more than forgot), Epstein and Weinstein.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            Do those statements mean that you vote for Democratic candidates more often than Republican ones?
                            The best time to vote for a Democrat is in the primary. My issue with voting third parties is if one cares enough to vote in a two party dominated system, one should vote for the lesser of two evils. I have no issue with not voting. I'm glad Trump won in 2016 and was able to nominate three SCOTUS justices though there are decisions I would even agree with RBG.



                            In general, I have no issue setting aside my personal ideology when considering voting. General elections depend on the current general environment. Given the current state of affairs, I'd be willing to vote for Trump despite my opinion of the man.


                            (Edit: If KBJ is the future of the Democrats in general, I would vote anyone with a (R) next to their name. As I said, I'm a pragmatist and a realist, I'm not beholden to my personal ideology when making practical considerations, especially when it comes to voting)


                            What a strange statement. Has that ever come up for you?
                            I would assume with an IQ of 141 you would be able to understand hyperbole.


                            But decriminalizing adult-minor relationships? There was one libertarian candidate who wanted that. Apart from that, I'm scratching my head. I've not heard of anyone in politics on the left advocating that.

                            The Left is pushing that direction with queer theory and individuals like Michael Foucault, Gayle Rubin, Judith Butler, and Pat Califa. There is one specific organisation that advocates for adult-minor relationship, specifically in regard to male homosexuality. It's a leftist organisation.
                            Last edited by Diogenes; 01-30-2023, 05:48 AM.
                            P1) If , then I win.

                            P2)

                            C) I win.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              Also don't forget his son Nestor from a previous suspected-underaged relationship. It's not like Gaetz has only 1 case of suspected-pedophilia.

                              Whether or not Gaetz is guilty doesn't seem to change that its only Republican federal politicians who have ever been suspected or found guilty of pedophilia, never Democrats as far as I am aware. Including the longest-serving Republican Speaker of the House in history, Dennis Hastert. I saw an interview with a political historian the other week which touched on Hastert, and he reckoned some of the others in Republican leadership knew Hastert's guilty secret and that that was part of why they chose him for speaker because the knew that having dirt on him would given them control over him.
                              I suspect one has to dig harder for a comparison. When I Google the subject, I come up mostly with MSM opinion pieces and commentary about Republicans being pedophiles, which is predictable since Republicans are the enemy of the MSM.

                              I don't have a dog in this race since I'm not a Republican, so I don't care. But logically, Democrats author legislation that supports and defends the weirder sexual "orientation" demographics, so it is reasonable to expect they are also practicing in those areas. They just don't get caught as often, don't get prosecuted as often, or don't get reported on as often by their sympathetic media.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
                                The best time to vote for a Democrat is in the primary.
                                But not the general?

                                I'm glad Trump won in 2016 and was able to nominate three SCOTUS justices though there are decisions I would even agree with RBG.
                                I think the SCOTUS decisions to allow money in politics have introduced devastating levels of corruption to the US political system. So I would understand and support single-issue voting for a Democratic president so that enough anti-corruption judges are appointed to overturn the various SCOTUS decisions that have opened the floodgates of corruption (Citizens United, McCutcheon, Valeo, Bellotti etc).

                                Someone wanting to nominate more Republican SCOTUS justices, when Republicans (IIRC) have had a majority on SCOTUS for ~50 years straight and the SCOTUS is now the most conservative it has been for 90 years, is not however a position that makes any sense to me for any remotely self-proclaimed centrist or left-of-centrist to be taking.

                                If KBJ is the future of the Democrats in general, I would vote anyone with a (R) next to their name.
                                I'm going to assume that comment's not meant in a direct racist way, and instead has something to do with your obsessions with critical theory (though since attacking critical race theory is the latest racist dog-whistle, I'm not sure there's a big difference). I don't personally know much about KBJ other than she was regarded as pretty liberal. IMO it doesn't much matter how liberal she is given even the other Democratic appointed justices tend to be fairly moderate in their opinions, so even if KBJ's off some deep end like Alito is, she won't have the votes to back her up.

                                I would assume with an IQ of 141 you would be able to understand hyperbole.
                                My IQ leads me to question the apparent insanity of your statement that implies it's common for leftist politicians to advocate for legalization of pedophilia, given they don't and haven't done so.

                                The Left is pushing that direction with queer theory and individuals like Michael Foucault, Gayle Rubin, Judith Butler, and Pat Califa.
                                People so stunningly famous and influential among leftists that despite listening to many thousands of hours of US progressives talk about politics and culture, that I've never heard them mention those names even once.

                                There is one specific organisation that advocates for adult-minor relationship, specifically in regard to male homosexuality. It's a leftist organisation.
                                The now-disbanded NAMBLA? The huge threat posed by defunct organizations doubtless has brave people quaking in their boots. I'm also not sure what you mean when you call it 'leftist', perhaps I could see the word 'liberal' being used toward it in the sense of 'libertarian'.
                                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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