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  • Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
    Nope.
    And you similarly believe animals are not sentient beings worthy of life just like them.
    That you can't tell the difference in the value of animal and a human being says more about you than it does about me.


    You're no different than them.
    LOL.

    That's a load of hogwash. "free range" is a meaningless term much like "assault weapon". A "free range" cow xan be kept in crowded pens with a certain small area of fence 'outside' that has grass and be called "free range". The documentary Supersize Me 2 goes into excellent length on the deceptive use of such terms (such that ignorant turds like you lap them up hook line and sinker).
    And there are plenty of free range ranches that do allow the cattle plenty of room to graze and they have a wonderful life as far as being cattle goes. And they are not mistreated or harmed, or tortured and are painlessly killed.

    That's scientifically untrue. (and your own article says 'fat, not meat')
    Now you are the one not reading what I wrote I said "meat (in particular fat).


    . In any case, the brain does not use anything in meat to fuel itself. Glucose, which is not found in meat (but rather from the breakdown of carbohydrates, of which meat contains none), is the fuel it uses, snookums. And if you want to argue 'protein', well that comes from plants as well.

    https://www.science.org/content/arti...eir-big-brains

    https://neurosciencenews.com/brain-e...on-carbs-2388/

    https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opini...uman-race.html
    Indeed, human ancestors had been eating meat for quite some time as scavengers. It was only after our utilization of fire for cooking plants and unlocking further the nutrients and carbohydrates, that our brain development went off the charts as it did. Meat doesn't have carbs, sorry.
    Eating fat did not directly go to our brains, but it did supply the calories and nutrients our bodies needed to be able to afford to have larger brains. Compact calories. And the hunting and making of tools to hunt exercised those brains and helped them to grow. Smarter people made for smarter hunters. Also fat and protein can be converted into glucose. But sure, we also need carbs. We are omnivores. Always have been.




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    • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      That you can't tell the difference in the value of animal and a human being says more about you than it does about me.
      That you can't accept the idea that an animal can have value as a sentient being whilst not being held to identical value as a human being, says a LOT about you.
      LOL.
      Uncomfortable laughter at the comparison is telling.

      And there are plenty of free range ranches that do allow the cattle plenty of room to graze and they have a wonderful life as far as being cattle goes. And they are not mistreated or harmed, or tortured and are painlessly killed.
      There is no such thing as 'painlessly killed'. And the mistreatment and harm tends to occur at the slaughterhouse, which is typically not part of whatever ranch they are raised on for their flesh.

      But I take this as your tacit admittance that your 'free range' objection was a load of hogwash.

      Now you are the one not reading what I wrote I said "meat (in particular fat).
      But your own article title says 'fat, not meat'



      Eating fat did not directly go to our brains, but it did supply the calories and nutrients our bodies needed to be able to afford to have larger brains. Compact calories. And the hunting and making of tools to hunt exercised those brains and helped them to grow. Smarter people made for smarter hunters. Also fat and protein can be converted into glucose. But sure, we also need carbs. We are omnivores. Always have been.
      Again, fat =/= meat. Fat is obtained from countless sources, including plants. But thank you for your tacit admittance that you were wrong about meat being what gave us our brains.

      Oh and "Also fat and protein can be converted into glucose." - yes, in a survival situation where you are literally starving your body (ketosis), which goes directly against literally everything you just freaking said above, you twit. (in addition that's fat and protein from your body cells that is converted, not meat that you eat).
      Last edited by Gondwanaland; 01-30-2023, 02:21 PM.

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      • Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

        Wow, I'm impressed you know about that. Most don't. Sad that you haven't gone further and made the moral connection fully though. Don't worry, I was once in that place too.
        I only learned about it recently, but I still eat eggs as me not eating eggs isn't going to [lessen] the abuse. I'd have no issue banning the practice and at the least gassing them.
        Last edited by Diogenes; 01-30-2023, 02:17 PM.
        P1) If , then I win.

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        C) I win.

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        • Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
          That you can't accept the idea that an animal can have value as a sentient being whilst not being held to identical value as a human being, says a LOT about you.
          Uncomfortable laughter at the comparison is telling.


          There is no such thing as 'painlessly killed'. And the mistreatment and harm tends to occur at the slaughterhouse, which is typically not part of whatever ranch they are raised on for their flesh.

          But I take this as your tacit admittance that your 'free range' objection was a load of hogwash.
          and I take this as tacit admittance that you have no idea about how cattle are slaughtered other than watching some propaganda films.


          But your own article title says 'fat, not meat'
          The fat was gathered from the kills. MEAT AND FAT. If you actually read the article it goes into detail that the source of the fat was in such things as bone marrow, the brains of the animals and the animal fat. And how hunting itself provided stimulus for the brains to grow. Needing more smarts to make better tools and hunt better.



          Again, fat =/= meat. Fat is obtained from countless sources, including plants. But thank you for your tacit admittance that you were wrong about meat being what gave us our brains.
          and more tacit admittance from you that you at best skimmed the article and missed the point that HUNTING AND EATING ANIMALS is what made our brains bigger and smarter. Not eating vegetables.
          you twit.
          right back at ya dummy.



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          • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            and I take this as tacit admittance that you have no idea about how cattle are slaughtered other than watching some propaganda films.
            As a matter of fact I do know how they are slaughtered, and your so-called 'painless' methods are a load of bullcrap.

            The fat was gathered from the kills. MEAT AND FAT. If you actually read the article it goes into detail that the source of the fat was in such things as bone marrow, the brains of the animals and the animal fat. And how hunting itself provided stimulus for the brains to grow. Needing more smarts to make better tools and hunt better.
            Fats are obtained from plants as well, dear.

            and more tacit admittance from you that you at best skimmed the article and missed the point that HUNTING AND EATING ANIMALS is what made our brains bigger and smarter. Not eating vegetables.
            right back at ya dummy.
            Except it isn't. Again, the only way you can make the fuel brains need from protein or fat is by STARVING yourself. Which is the direct opposite of your claims.

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            • Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
              As a matter of fact I do know how they are slaughtered, and your so-called 'painless' methods are a load of bullcrap.
              They are dead in a millisecond. No time to feel pain.

              Fats are obtained from plants as well, dear.
              Again the article was about fat obtained from animal hunting/killing. The hunting and weapons/tools were an integral part of the brain growth.




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              • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                They are dead in a millisecond. No time to feel pain.
                Bull poop.



                https://animalequality.org/news/reve...-burger-chain/

                Investigation: Shocking butchering of cows for US burger chain


                • Slaughterhouse of Central Valley Meat Co. supplied meat to the popular In-N-Out Burger chain and for the National School Lunch Program • Shows cows who were still alive after being shot in the head then being suffocated by workers who stand on their mouths and nostrils preventing the cows from breathing • Most of the animals slaughtered by CVM are 'spent' dairy cows who are no longer economically viable as milk-producers to the dairy industry • USDA regulators who shut down the slaughterhouse after viewing the animal welfare video are investigating whether beef from sick cows reached the human food supply
                https://www.peta.org/blog/video-at-w...ately-stunned/

                You have no clue what you're talking about. I suggest you educate yourself.

                Again the article was about fat obtained from animal hunting/killing. The hunting and weapons/tools were an integral part of the brain growth.


                No, it wasn't. Again, brain growth only significantly increased once we started eating significant amounts of starches via cooked tubers, etc..
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                • Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

                  Bull poop.



                  https://www.peta.org/blog/video-at-w...ately-stunned/



                  No, it wasn't. Again, brain growth only significantly increased once we started eating significant amounts of starches via cooked tubers, etc..
                  PETA??? PETA?

                  Like I said, it appears all you know about slaughtering is from propaganda videos.



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                  • Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                    PETA??? PETA?

                    Like I said, it appears all you know about slaughtering is from propaganda videos.

                    Translation: "I can't address the inconvenient facts that show my bs was wrong so I'll handwave away multiple sources showing I was wrong"

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                    • Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

                      Translation: "I can't address the inconvenient facts that show my bs was wrong so I'll handwave away multiple sources showing I was wrong"
                      No.

                      actual translation: Peta is so full of crap that I wouldn't believe it if they said the sky was blue. They regularly fake evidence and lie. It proves exactly what I said about you and watching propaganda. You couldn't have provided a better example of progaganda. My dude, you just lost the argument in a spectacular way.

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                      • Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                        No.

                        actual translation: Peta is so full of crap that I wouldn't believe it if they said the sky was blue. They regularly fake evidence and lie. It proves exactly what I said about you and watching propaganda. You couldn't have provided a better example of progaganda. My dude, you just lost the argument in a spectacular way.
                        Well, had you actually read my post, I provided two other, non-peta sources. But you saw the term PETA, kneejerked, and then ignored the rest of the sources, as well as the literal undercover video provided by myself and the soruces (which boy oh boy you don't do when it's, say, video of teachers bragging about CRT, trans stuff, etc.).

                        The only one losing the argument here is you: the person performing the well-poisoning fallacy in order to dismiss multiple separate sources just because one of the sources was one that gets his panties all twisted up.

                        Pathetic to see a supposed admin/site owner, of a debate board, behave in such a manner.
                        Last edited by Gondwanaland; 01-30-2023, 04:21 PM.

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                        • Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
                          Originally posted by Sparko
                          That you can't tell the difference in the value of animal and a human being says more about you than it does about me.
                          That you can't accept the idea that an animal can have value as a sentient being whilst not being held to identical value as a human being, says a LOT about you.
                          I read this exchange with amusement given I know you both get upset at my view that both animals and humans have value as sentient beings and that that value depends on their level of sentience/mind.

                          There's a lot of "how dare the foundations of your value system be ever-so-slightly different to mine!" around here...
                          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
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                          • Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

                            Well, had you actually read my post, I provided two other, non-peta sources. But you saw the term PETA, kneejerked, and then ignored the rest of the sources, as well as the literal undercover video provided by myself and the soruces (which boy oh boy you don't do when it's, say, video of teachers bragging about CRT, trans stuff, etc.).

                            The only one losing the argument here is you: the person performing the well-poisoning fallacy in order to dismiss multiple separate sources just because one of the sources was one that gets his panties all twisted up.

                            Pathetic to see a supposed admin/site owner, of a debate board, behave in such a manner.


                            Peta! *snort*

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                            • Animals can smell death and the spilled blood of their own kind. I remember once living on a free range farm in Idaho where I watched up close 2 cows being slaughtered. A truck pulled onto the farm equipped with everything needed to skin and slaughter a cow, basically a mobile butcher. The truck had a small boom and crane on the back to hoist the dead animal into the air, to drain the blood, remove the skin, etc.

                              Both animals were shot in the head with a bolt gun and dropped dead instantly. They were then hoisted into the air for further processing. My son and I watched the whole thing, and despite how gruesome it was, it was quite interesting.

                              One thing that was apparent and very disturbing, was that the 2nd cow knew what's up when he was led to the truck (They were killed and slaughtered one by one.) The poor animal went berserk when he smelled his fate. Now this episode could have been more humane simply by leading the animal to a different spot for the bolt.



                              And when I use the term "free range"...this particular farm was free range in the truest sense of the term... Compared to these industrial farms where the animals live in fear 100% of the time, as the smell of blood and death is the backdrop to their existence.

                              I believe we as humans have dominion over the animal kingdoms, but we also have a great responsibility to treat animals humanely, even the ones raised for slaughter. There is no good reason under the sun why we as humans subject animals to such undue stress.

                              I've heard it said that aborted babies cry out to God for justice. There could be some truth to that. If there is, then I would say that there is truth also that animals being raised in inhumane conditions in these factory farms also cry out to their Creator for justice.
                              Last edited by Machinist; 01-31-2023, 07:49 AM.

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                              • Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
                                It's not a mystery. You stated you've tried something many years back. Current products are nothing like anything many years back
                                In five years they'll once again reformulate it and yet again insist that now, this time, it really does take like actual meat -- all the while why they continue working on trying to get it to actually taste like meat.

                                Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
                                Yeah, no. Maybe those 'many years ago'. but not today with some of the plant based meats out there.
                                Even those who've tried things like the Impossible Burger give it mixed reviews as to if it tastes like real meat as claimed. Often those praising it say its the best tasting plant-based burger or that it almost tastes like the real thing -- showing that it still doesn't match up. The fact that McDonald's quietly cancelled their much ballyhooed introduction of plant-based burgers (although I understand they're still available in Britain) pretty much demonstrates they weren't passing the taste test.

                                I think it has been so long since you tasted what these things try to imitate that you can no longer make any sort of comparison

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