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Oregon schools encouraged to conceal student's gender from parents.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
....but when the teacher talks to the parents they use "her/she" instead of "him/he" - that is not "omitting information" that is "deception"
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
There's not typically any reference from teachers or peers to a student's religion or restriction on their activities based on their religion. The most you might get is students self-segregating into religious student clubs. On the other hand, it's not uncommon for teachers or peers to reference a student's gender or for students to be divided by gender. Altering these references and restrictions based on identity would be considered affirmation.
A teacher having a discussion with a student about why they identify the way they do or how they should identify would be the same as a discussion about why they believe their religion or what religion they should believe, I consider both inappropriate . Do you not consider affirmation markedly different from these sorts of discussions?
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Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
A teacher has no business in discussing why a student is of a particular religion nor does a teacher have any business covert prostylising in the classroom. If that happened, the Left would go nuts. But trying to convince a student they're of the wrong sex to the allegedly to the point of suicidal ideation is apparently fine. You do know THAT is the reason for the Florida parental rights bill, right?
"Gender" identity is no where near religion. The idea that a person has the "wrong body" is delusional. It also leads to bodily mutilation. If a child was religious to the point of say self-flagellation, the Left would go nuts, but a 13 year old having a double mastectomy is fine. People having mastectomy scars was even in a toddler's show.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostBestiality isn't a criminal offense in some jurisdictions. It's legal in four states with at least two others trying to change their laws.
Necrophilia is still legal in even more states, including places like Massachusetts and Vermont.
Yeah, just dismiss evidence for what you don't want to believe is happening because obviously they just must, Must, MUST be lying.
I'm not saying they must be lying, I'm saying I need corroborative evidence before believing testimony like that at face value. I would advise you to be similarly skeptical rather than attacking people for remaining neutral about an issue for which there is very limited information. Regardless, the point is that surgery and child custody has nothing at all to do with gender identity affirmation in schools.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
not mentioning something might be OK, depending on what it is. But in this case they are ACTIVELY deceiving the parents by referring to the student to the parents by their biological sex, while the child uses a different gender in school. for example, a biological girl says her gender an pronouns are male in school, but when the teacher talks to the parents they use "her/she" instead of "him/he" - that is not "omitting information" that is "deception"
Imagine that a student goes by the name Ollie at school and is called that name by all the students and teachers including myself. Ollie's parents hate the nickname and prefer to call him Oliver. If I use the name Oliver for that student when discussing his academic progress with his parents because that's the name they prefer to use for him am I concealing or deceiving them by following their lead?
Also, how do you feel this deception is resolved in light of my point number two in the text you quoted?
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Originally posted by seanD View Post
The bolded would be analogous to evangelism, and this is what I was talking about. No, a teacher should not evangelize to a child of another religion while keeping that behind the parents back. It's creepy, and something that cults do, much like discussing "sexual orientation" to a child behind the parent's back is creepy and something that pedophiles do.
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostJust out of curiosity...
Imagine a scenario in which a school district has a high number of conservative Muslim families. A significant percentage of students from these Muslim families secretly convert to Christianity and talk to other Christian students about Christianity, sometimes pray or read the Bible during free time, and maybe attend a Christian after school club. These children are concerned their families will punish them at best, abuse them at worst if they find out they converted, maybe send them to a special school for children to be indoctrinated into Islam or homes chooled with an Islam-focused curriculum. Should the school notify their parents that their children have converted to Christianity? If your answer is no, how is the scenario in the OP any different? If your answer is yes do you think teachers and guidance counselors have any moral responsibility at all to advocate for their students outside of mandated reporting?
A 16yr old discovering that they are LGBT+ or religious transition in Texas must be a very difficult situation for them....dangerous even?
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
What sort of discussions about sexual orientation do pedophiles have with their victims?
It can be the very first thing that they think of in connection to LGBT+ people........... most strange.
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
What sort of discussions about sexual orientation do pedophiles have with their victims?
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostWhat sort of discussions about sexual orientation do pedophiles have with their victims?
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
It would be wrong for a teacher or anyone really to try to convince someone they have a gender identity that individual doesn't identify with. That's very different from teachers going along with a student's gender self-identification. Also, teachers using the gender identity a student identifies with has nothing to do with any type of surgery.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostSo which do you think is taking place when this involves first graders? And given this is the age that a child could look you straight in the eye and in all seriousness declare that they're a unicorn, should teachers immediately leap forward to help promote this?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View Post
I was convinced that I was superman until I jumped (or rather leaped) off a one story chicken coup with my bed sheet cape. Just to be sure, I did it again - it hurt...
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI didn't think I was Superman, but I thought I might be able to fly if I had a cape (i.e., a sheet), and climbed out a second story bedroom window onto the roof and jumped. Didn't get hurt and realized after the first attempt that it didn't work.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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