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  • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    I don't tend to comment much on here about the DeSantis book bannings because I kind of tend to assume that it speaks for itself in terms of the evil, and that the conservatives here are so deeply ashamed of it that my rubbing it in would be gratuitous. That gremlin seems to want to make Florida into some sort of parody of the worst government overreach possible.
    So you think books that have drawn depictions of minors engaging in sexual activity should be in schools? Do you believe schools should teach porn literacy?
    P1) If , then I win.

    P2)

    C) I win.

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    • Originally posted by Diogenes View Post

      So you think books that have drawn depictions of minors engaging in sexual activity should be in schools? Do you believe schools should teach porn literacy?
      Of course he does...
      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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      • Originally posted by seer View Post

        First, it is a good thing to preach the gospel, anywhere. And Russia? Are you serious?

        Russian law punishes any kind of evangelism outside the church building

        https://evangelicalfocus.com/world/1...ide-the-church

        A New Russian Law Targets Evangelicals and Other 'Foreign' Religions

        https://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-pu...ackdown-498551
        Yeah, he prefers a One Religion State -- Russian Orthodox being the religion.

        I'm always still in trouble again

        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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        • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          Yeah, he prefers a One Religion State -- Russian Orthodox being the religion.
          No, according to Star, Russia/Putin and Evangelicals are joined at the hip!
          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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          • Looks like the President of Mexico felt left out of the Loco América del Norte Leader Club...

            An Elf? A Witch? Mexico’s President Says It’s the Mythical Aluxe

            President Andrés Manuel López Obrador tweeted an image of what he said was an aluxe, a legendary elflike creature. News outlets said it looked like a 2021 photo of another questionable creature.

            In Maya culture, an aluxe is believed to be a mischievous elflike being that lives in the woods, a creature of folklore similar to leprechauns, unicorns, mermaids and the Loch Ness Monster.

            So it was a surprise on Saturday when President Andrés Manuel López Obrador of Mexico shared a picture on Twitter of what he claimed was an aluxe.



            Mexican President Shares Photo of What He Says Is a Mayan Elf: 'Everything Is Mystical'

            The politician earned a viral tweet with an image of what he claims is a Mayan elf

            Mexico's president has got the internet talking.

            President Andrés Manuel López Obrador, 69, used his platform over the weekend to tweet a photo of what he claims to be an "aluxe," a woodland spirit in Mayan folklore.

            "I share two photos of our supervision of the Mayan Train works: one, taken by an engineer three days ago, apparently from an aluxe; another, by Diego Prieto of a splendid pre-Hispanic sculpture in Ek Balam," his translated tweet reads, showing a side-by-side of the alleged elf and a sculpture.

            "Everything is mystical," he added in the translation.




            I'm always still in trouble again

            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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            • Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
              So you think books that have drawn depictions of minors engaging in sexual activity should be in schools? Do you believe schools should teach porn literacy?
              I think it's fine to have a handful of books not allowed in school libraries, if there's really good reasons that can be shown for it and a clear list of titles that are restricted, and the book encouraging kids to engage in an illegal activity seems a good reason for restricting it.

              But at the moment, DeSantis seems to be on a crazed mass ban. It's not a case of "here's a short list of books". It's more a case of "preemptively remove every book from your libraries that any crazed conservative could conceivably ever have a problem with, and if you fail to remove a book that someone crazy turns out to have a problem with, you'll be fined." That's just totalitarian dictatorship insanity. And it's leading to schools having to remove all their books until they can gradually read through them and whitelist ones that they're sure that not even the crazies would have a problem with.
              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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              • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                I think it's fine to have a handful of books not allowed in school libraries, if there's really good reasons that can be shown for it and a clear list of titles that are restricted, and the book encouraging kids to engage in an illegal activity seems a good reason for restricting it.
                It may be hard to get this through to you, but some communities don't want their kids exposed to trans or gay ideology. Those are good reasons to many.

                But at the moment, DeSantis seems to be on a crazed mass ban. It's not a case of "here's a short list of books". It's more a case of "preemptively remove every book from your libraries that any crazed conservative could conceivably ever have a problem with, and if you fail to remove a book that someone crazy turns out to have a problem with, you'll be fined." That's just totalitarian dictatorship insanity. And it's leading to schools having to remove all their books until they can gradually read through them and whitelist ones that they're sure that not even the crazies would have a problem with.
                What books exactly is he banning from school libraries? What mass ban are you speaking of? Or are you making up stuff again?
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • Originally posted by seer View Post
                  It may be hard to get this through to you, but some communities don't want their kids exposed to trans or gay ideology.
                  Yes, I know, such people are totally insane. But their insanity shouldn't be allowed to lead to totalitarian mass book bannings.

                  What books exactly is he banning from school libraries? What mass ban are you speaking of? Or are you making up stuff again?
                  Wapo: Florida schools tell teachers: Hide your books to avoid felony charges
                  FloridaBooks.jpeg

                  Wapo paywalls there articles unfortunately. But what is going on is that dictator DeSantis has passed sweeping legislation that criminalizes books in schools that aren't politically correct and approved by his chief censor. Because it's going to take a long time for the chief censor to get around to working through all the books to approve each of them individually, in the meantime they are all banned. It's the inherent stupidity of using a whitelist and not a blacklist. Instead of restricting a handful of books that are specifically problematic, they've instead gone the other way and said the books need to be assessed for political correctness by the censors before they get the DeSantis regime stamp of approved content.

                  I wonder if DeSantis watched 1984 and thought it was an instruction manual? Not that I'd expect much more from a guy who was personally involved in Bush's W's torture programs.
                  "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                  "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                  "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                  • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                    That's a reassuring poll, but doesn't actually refer to what I was saying.

                    I said Putin has an alliance of convenience with religious conservatives in Russia (much like Donald Trump does in the US).

                    And I said US evangelical ideas have been actively spread in Eastern Europe. Since the cold war, evangelical missions have been very active in Russia and elsewhere in Eastern Europe. I don't think that's a controversial statement.
                    Looking at a few countries in Eastern Europe, I see little evidence that evangelicalism has any real force there. Poland, Belarus, Lithuania, all have about 1% of their population be Protestant (an even smaller percentage would count as evangelical). Slovakia and Hungary are a bit better, being around 10%--which is still rather low, and again that's the total Protestant, a smaller percentage could actually be classified as "evangelical." As for Russia itself, it looks like only about 1% of the population is Protestant.

                    So in none of those countries is Protestantism, let alone evangelicalism, a major force, and in most it seems utterly tiny. Did you have any countries in mind with your statement that I overlooked?

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                    • Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
                      Looking at a few countries in Eastern Europe, I see little evidence that evangelicalism has any real force there. Poland, Belarus, Lithuania, all have about 1% of their population be Protestant (an even smaller percentage would count as evangelical). Slovakia and Hungary are a bit better, being around 10%--which is still rather low, and again that's the total Protestant, a smaller percentage could actually be classified as "evangelical." As for Russia itself, it looks like only about 1% of the population is Protestant.

                      So in none of those countries is Protestantism, let alone evangelicalism, a major force, and in most it seems utterly tiny. Did you have any countries in mind with your statement that I overlooked?
                      It's not that they've established a big evangelical-identifying presence there, it's that they've affected the beliefs and politics of existing Christian groups there to mirror the US's politics. The result is that Christians in these countries are now spouting the exact same US culture-war nonsense that happens in the US and there's open support by Christians of the right-wing dictators who in turn pledge to perpetuate the culture wars.

                      One example of this is how Putin in speeches talks about how JK Rowling is getting Cancelled due to her anti-trans positions. Or the dictator of Hungary saying that Tucker Carlson should be broadcast 24/7. And these sort of comments aren't rare by them, but common in their speeches as they adopt the US culture wars as their own. In exchange for the culture war virtue signaling, the religious right in these countries gives these dictators their support. Behind the scenes this is all a result of Americanization of the religious groups in these countries.
                      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                      • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        It's not that they've established a big evangelical-identifying presence there, it's that they've affected the beliefs and politics of existing Christian groups there to mirror the US's politics. The result is that Christians in these countries are now spouting the exact same US culture-war nonsense that happens in the US and there's open support by Christians of the right-wing dictators who in turn pledge to perpetuate the culture wars.

                        One example of this is how Putin in speeches talks about how JK Rowling is getting Cancelled due to her anti-trans positions. Or the dictator of Hungary saying that Tucker Carlson should be broadcast 24/7. And these sort of comments aren't rare by them, but common in their speeches as they adopt the US culture wars as their own. In exchange for the culture war virtue signaling, the religious right in these countries gives these dictators their support. Behind the scenes this is all a result of Americanization of the religious groups in these countries.
                        I think this is a sort of claim that would need backing up with real data instead of feelings.

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                        • Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
                          I think this is a sort of claim that would need backing up with real data instead of feelings.
                          Things I say on this site are based on my knowledge of the news, not feelings. I can't always be bothered doing your google search for links for you if you happen to be ignorant on a topic. But here's some from google if you want further reading.
                          The unexpected relationship between U.S. evangelicals and Russian Orthodox
                          A Twisted Love Story: How American Evangelicals Helped Make Putin’s Russia And How Russia Became The Darling Of The American Right
                          The Religious Underpinnings of Russia’s Invasion in Ukraine: The Orthodox Russian State, US Evangelicals, and the Global Culture Wars (pdf)
                          Why do so many of America’s white evangelicals support Putin?
                          Last edited by Starlight; 02-28-2023, 09:38 PM.
                          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                          • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            I think it's fine to have a handful of books not allowed in school libraries, if there's really good reasons that can be shown for it and a clear list of titles that are restricted, and the book encouraging kids to engage in an illegal activity seems a good reason for restricting it.

                            But at the moment, DeSantis seems to be on a crazed mass ban. It's not a case of "here's a short list of books". It's more a case of "preemptively remove every book from your libraries that any crazed conservative could conceivably ever have a problem with, and if you fail to remove a book that someone crazy turns out to have a problem with, you'll be fined." That's just totalitarian dictatorship insanity. And it's leading to schools having to remove all their books until they can gradually read through them and whitelist ones that they're sure that not even the crazies would have a problem with.
                            So should books with drawn depictions of minors engaging in sexual activity be banned from public schools and public libraries?

                            Follow up, what about books that explicitly detail sex as in erotica but lacks pictures?


                            These are yes/no questions.
                            P1) If , then I win.

                            P2)

                            C) I win.

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                            • Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
                              So should books with drawn depictions of minors engaging in sexual activity be banned from public schools and public libraries?

                              Follow up, what about books that explicitly detail sex as in erotica but lacks pictures?

                              These are yes/no questions.
                              Yes. But that is not what they are doing. They are doing a much much bigger censorship purge under the pretense of objecting to a handful of egregious examples.
                              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                              • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                Things I say on this site are based on my knowledge of the news, not feelings. I can't always be bothered doing your google search for links for you if you happen to be ignorant on a topic.
                                You're the one making the claim you pathetic twerp. the onus is on you. Not my job to do your homework for you,

                                But here's some from google if you want further reading.
                                The unexpected relationship between U.S. evangelicals and Russian Orthodox
                                Zero data in here about Eastern Europe, and largely just a focus on the US.

                                Zero data here and a whole lot of stretching (including admissions that Orthodoxy has long been against abortion and gay marraige but somewhow magically they're pushing those positions because of evangelicals from America :rolleyes:

                                Looks like some student paper, not seeing any sort of data presented,

                                Literally zero data here about rRussia or Eastern Europe, literally just an article about American evangelicals and their support of Putin.

                                Come back when you have actual data to support your claims (do you even remember what those claims were?)

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