I wish I could find the video of old Joe going on and on about how anyone leaving classified documents around, unsecured, is careless and reckless and irresponsible.
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U.S. attorney - classified documents from Biden's VP term found at Biden think tank
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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI wish I could find the video of old Joe going on and on about how anyone leaving classified documents around, unsecured, is careless and reckless and irresponsible.
Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI wish I could find the video of old Joe going on and on about how anyone leaving classified documents around, unsecured, is careless and reckless and irresponsible.
also see: https://freebeacon.com/biden-adminis...assified-docs/
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostDid I call it or what?
This story is getting good. Biden is claiming that he has no idea where they came from and his lawyers told him not to ask what was in them. Sounds like the same story he kept telling about Hunter, that he never talked to Hunter about his businesses.
He is still responsible for the classified documents being in his possession whether he claims ignorance or not. And as MM keeps pointing out, in Trump's case he is claiming he declassified the documents he had, whereas Biden can't claim he did that because he doesn't have the power. Maybe Obama will claim he declassified them for Biden? Let's see if the next part of my prediction comes true too.
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Originally posted by Stoic View PostA lot of us did. It's not like it was hard to see.
If that were to happen, I would be really impressed. (If Obama had declassified the documents, they would be marked accordingly.)
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
Took 5 seconds on google. You're welcome:
also see: https://freebeacon.com/biden-adminis...assified-docs/
All I could find were comments regarding the files that old Joe just turned over.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Stoic View PostA lot of us did. It's not like it was hard to see.
If that were to happen, I would be really impressed. (If Obama had declassified the documents, they would be marked accordingly.)
What do I mean? There's always
Ateam: <Does something bad>
Bteam: That <bad thing> is very bad, Horrible even. It's disgraceful that anyone would ever do <bad thing>
Bteam: <Gets caught doing bad thing>
Ateam: Seems you've been caught doing <bad thing>
Bteam: You can't compare the two. It's apples and oranges! While Ateam did <Bad thing with special caveat> Bteam did <Spun version of bad thing lacking special caveat>. The thing that makes it bad is <Special caveat>!
And, at the end of the day, there's ALWAYS an orange, even when the difference drops to something entirely superficial, that superficial difference will STILL be enough to claim it's apples and oranges. You can enter any sort of special caveat you want, from any source. Is the special caveat begging the question? Still an orange.
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
Call it the "always an orange" argument technique. In many ways its the same general bad technique as "no true Scotsman".
What do I mean? There's always
Ateam: <Does something bad>
Bteam: That <bad thing> is very bad, Horrible even. It's disgraceful that anyone would ever do <bad thing>
Bteam: <Gets caught doing bad thing>
Ateam: Seems you've been caught doing <bad thing>
Bteam: You can't compare the two. It's apples and oranges! While Ateam did <Bad thing with special caveat> Bteam did <Spun version of bad thing lacking special caveat>. The thing that makes it bad is <Special caveat>!
And, at the end of the day, there's ALWAYS an orange, even when the difference drops to something entirely superficial, that superficial difference will STILL be enough to claim it's apples and oranges. You can enter any sort of special caveat you want, from any source. Is the special caveat begging the question? Still an orange.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
Well if they want to be honest () they would say the "special caveat" is "Conservative/Republican"
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
Call it the "always an orange" argument technique. In many ways its the same general bad technique as "no true Scotsman".
What do I mean? There's always
Ateam: <Does something bad>
Bteam: That <bad thing> is very bad, Horrible even. It's disgraceful that anyone would ever do <bad thing>
Bteam: <Gets caught doing bad thing>
Ateam: Seems you've been caught doing <bad thing>
Bteam: You can't compare the two. It's apples and oranges! While Ateam did <Bad thing with special caveat> Bteam did <Spun version of bad thing lacking special caveat>. The thing that makes it bad is <Special caveat>!
And, at the end of the day, there's ALWAYS an orange, even when the difference drops to something entirely superficial, that superficial difference will STILL be enough to claim it's apples and oranges. You can enter any sort of special caveat you want, from any source. Is the special caveat begging the question? Still an orange.
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Penn Biden Center Funded With $54.6 Million From Anonymous Chinese Donors
According to public records, at least $54 million was donated to the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement in Washington by individuals with ties to the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) between 2014 and 2019. The Penn Biden Center is where several classified documents were located in early November, locked in a closet in President Biden’s former office.
https://creativedestructionmedia.com...hinese-donors/Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
Thing is, Obama did it, too, and as far as I know, the documents he took were never actually turned over to the National Archives but instead were put in the custody of one of his organizations with the as-yet unfilled promise to provide digital copies of all of his presidential papers. A departing president taking papers with him is an old presidential tradition that seems to have only become a problem when Trump did it.
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
When the <Special caveat> is written into the law, then I think that really does make it apples and oranges.
A <gets caught Drinking>
B "Drinking is Bad!"
B <Gets caught drinking>
A "Hypocrite, you just got caught drinking"
B "You were obviously drunk, I was not. That's an entirely different thing.
B <Gets caught being aboslutely drunk>
A "Still a hypocrite, you just got caught drinking until obviously drunk."
B "Apples and oranges, You are underage, I am old enough to drink alcohol"
B <proof is found that he was drinking when underage>
A "Are you ever NOT a hypocrite? It's obvious you drank underage.
B "Not comparable at all, I was dressed respectfully at a social function, you were dressed as a gothic punk"
Like all goalpost shifts, "always an orange" keeps finding a new reason why something isn't comparable.
That immediately happened with Biden. Originally it was "irresponsible" just to have mishandled classified information. Once Biden was caught having done the same thing, suddenly, they found an orange.
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
It all depends. It becomes "always an orange" when originally the <Special Caveat> was an after thought in the original conversation. Like "No true scotsman" it's a constant goalpost shift.
A <gets caught Drinking>
B "Drinking is Bad!"
B <Gets caught drinking>
A "Hypocrite, you just got caught drinking"
B "You were obviously drunk, I was not. That's an entirely different thing.
B <Gets caught being aboslutely drunk>
A "Still a hypocrite, you just got caught drinking until obviously drunk."
B "Apples and oranges, You are underage, I am old enough to drink alcohol"
B <proof is found that he was drinking when underage>
A "Are you ever NOT a hypocrite? It's obvious you drank underage.
B "Not comparable at all, I was dressed respectfully at a social function, you were dressed as a gothic punk"
Like all goalpost shifts, "always an orange" keeps finding a new reason why something isn't comparable.
That immediately happened with Biden. Originally it was "irresponsible" just to have mishandled classified information. Once Biden was caught having done the same thing, suddenly, they found an orange.
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