U.S. attorney - classified documents from Biden's VP term found at Biden think tank

[Sparko]

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[Stoic]

This article lists several:

https://www.voanews.com/a/fbi-justic...s/6694887.html

Your article lists people who knew they were taking classified documents and keeping them where they weren't supposed to be kept.

That will be relevant when we get to the point where it can be proved that Biden knew about the classified documents. Until then, at worst, he was careless. (At best, someone else was careless.)

And for being careless, a slap on the wrist is standard.

[Stoic]

They also make it clear that they can't conceive of a way it could be accidentally done. That's the damaging part and where old Joe got heaved in front of an oncoming bus.

We'll see how well that claim ages.

[rogue06]

We'll see how well that claim ages.

Can't do worse than all the claims about transparency and total cooperation that we're seeing from the Biden Administration.

[Stoic]

Well Biden said he had no more either, until they found more.

I hadn't heard that. Do you have a source?

And I'm sure Biden though he could keep those classified documents because he did. Unless you are claiming that he had no idea...

I'm claiming that no one can yet prove beyond a reasonable doubt, using publicly available information, that Biden knew he had them.

No, his aides could have mistakenly taken them and he thought (rightly or wrongly) that he could keep them.

If that was the case, then he could not have declassified them while he was president and purportedly had the power to do so. So keeping them after he found out about them would have been a crime.

[seanD]

We'll see how well that claim ages.

Your arguments here give me deja vu of the Burisma thread and the laptop story. It's incredible how you can be on the wrong side of the argument so many times.

[Stoic]

Oh he knows he is just expressing his disbelief that you would not have informed your self of the list that comey gave of her illegal acts just before he said but we won't prosecute her for them. Among said illegal I ties is using an insecure server for government business,

What law is there against using an insecure server for government business?

and trying to destroy evidence on that server and staff members BlackBerry phones after a court ordered injunction not to do anything with the server or phones.

AFAIK, they were never able to prove that Hillary tried to destroy evidence on the server, nor BlackBerry phones, whether before or after any such injunction. (While there were people working for Hillary who did those things, they haven't claimed that it was at her direction.)

Give me a break I only have to assume you were being purposely obtuse with that question or one of the low information voters that the Democrats love because they are more apt to vote Democrat. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and go with the former.

Well, I'll just assume that you are one of those people who thinks you know more than you do.

[seer]

I hadn't heard that. Do you have a source?

'There's Nothing There,' Biden Said the Day Before the FBI Found More Classified Documents in His House

https://reason.com/2023/01/23/theres...-in-his-house/

I'm claiming that no one can yet prove beyond a reasonable doubt, using publicly available information, that Biden knew he had them.

Then why did he say he had no regrets about the handling of the documents? Why even say that? Why not say he didn't even know that he had them?

If that was the case, then he could not have declassified them while he was president and purportedly had the power to do so. So keeping them after he found out about them would have been a crime.

The point is you are not willing to give the same consideration to Trump as you did to Biden considering the initial gathering of the documents.

[Sparko]

Your article lists people who knew they were taking classified documents and keeping them where they weren't supposed to be kept.

Biden could not have removed them from the SCIF unintentionally. He also was keeping them where they were not supposed to be (he should have returned them to the SCIF within the day according to the rule you posted). Also some of the cases listed were basically carelessness or they thought they had a good reason to have the documents.

Also I have been watching/reading news today and a couple of Senators have mentioned that they have never been allowed to take documents from a SCIF and they were not even allowed to take notes to take with them on the documents. So that puts doubts on the source you provided that taking documents from a SCIF is allowed and routine.

"When we view documents we have to leave them in the room where we see them without taking notes, without making copies, without any kind of transcription and I think that kind of practice prevailed when then-Sen. Biden looked at them as well," Sen. Richard Blumenthal, D-Conn., said.


Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said he didn't know it was possible to take documents out of the sensitive compartmentalized information facility, known as the SCIF.

Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., called it "unthinkable."

“The process we go through is so elaborate and careful to review any of these documents that I can’t understand how any individual, senator can take possession of a classified document, let alone remove it to another location," Durbin said.

https://weartv.com/news/nation-world...rland-delaware

And for being careless, a slap on the wrist is standard.

[rogue06]

I hadn't heard that. Do you have a source?

Didn't he say that on a Friday a day or two before they announced finding more documents?

I'm claiming that no one can yet prove beyond a reasonable doubt, using publicly available information, that Biden knew he had them.

When they keep getting found in his personal, private library in different places, it becomes incredibly difficult to maintain that.

[One Bad Pig]

Your article lists people who knew they were taking classified documents and keeping them where they weren't supposed to be kept.

That will be relevant when we get to the point where it can be proved that Biden knew about the classified documents. Until then, at worst, he was careless. (At best, someone else was careless.)

And for being careless, a slap on the wrist is standard.

You think someone accidentally dropped them off at Biden's house, AND Hunter accidentally stumbled upon documents relative to his cushy Burisma job?

[Stoic]

Biden could not have removed them from the SCIF unintentionally. He also was keeping them where they were not supposed to be (he should have returned them to the SCIF within the day according to the rule you posted). Also some of the cases listed were basically carelessness or they thought they had a good reason to have the documents.

Pick one that you want to defend as being no worse than what Biden has done (keeping in mind that you can't prove that Biden knew he had classified documents at Penn or in his home).

Also I have been watching/reading news today and a couple of Senators have mentioned that they have never been allowed to take documents from a SCIF and they were not even allowed to take notes to take with them on the documents. So that puts doubts on the source you provided that taking documents from a SCIF is allowed and routine.

You mean this source?

[Sparko]

Pick one that you want to defend as being no worse than what Biden has done (keeping in mind that you can't prove that Biden knew he had classified documents at Penn or in his home).


You mean this source?

Your source is specific rules regarding one committee. It is not law.

and as I said, actual Senators claim otherwise than your source. I would think they would actually know one way or another, given that they are actually there and have actually handled classified documents.

[Stoic]

'There's Nothing There,' Biden Said the Day Before the FBI Found More Classified Documents in His House

https://reason.com/2023/01/23/theres...-in-his-house/

In context, he is not saying that there are no more classified documents:

Q Do you have any regret, sir, that you did not reveal the existence of the documents back in November, before the midterms?

THE PRESIDENT: Just hang on, okay?

Look, as we found — we found a handful of documents that were failed — were filed in the wrong place. We immediately turned them over to the Archives and the Justice Department. We’re fully cooperating and looking forward to getting this resolved quickly.

I think you’re going to find there’s nothing there. I have no regrets. I’m following what the lawyers have told me they want me to do. It’s exactly what we’re doing. There is no there there.

Thank you.

source

Then why did he say he had no regrets about the handling of the documents? Why even say that? Why not say he didn't even know that he had them?

There seem to be multiple opinions about what exactly Biden said he has no regrets about.

President Biden said on Thursday that he had “no regrets” that the White House did not disclose before the midterm elections that classified documents from his time as vice president were found in his private office in early November.

source

The point is you are not willing to give the same consideration to Trump as you did to Biden considering the initial gathering of the documents.

I'm willing to give Trump the exact same consideration as Biden. All he has to do is say (with a straight face) that he didn't know that he had any classified documents at Mar-a-Lago.

[Stoic]

Your source is specific rules regarding one committee. It is not law.

Do you think there is a law that says you can't take any classified materials out of a SCIF?

and as I said, actual Senators claim otherwise than your source. I would think they would actually know one way or another, given that they are actually there and have actually handled classified documents.

Well, you probably won't care much for Politifact's take on it, either, but I'll just leave this here anyway:

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...classified-do/