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  • Art professor fired for showing painting of Muhammad

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/08/u...tmhHS7lVPRCn4M

    This was an adjunct professor, so it wasn't difficult to fire her on a technical level.

    She wasn't doing it to be provocative; it was actually germane to her planned curriculum.
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

  • #2
    I saw that, liberals don't have problems insulting Christian sensibilities because Christians don't rent trunks. Insult Muslims and it's:

    P1) If , then I win.

    P2)

    C) I win.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
      https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/08/u...tmhHS7lVPRCn4M

      This was an adjunct professor, so it wasn't difficult to fire her on a technical level.

      She wasn't doing it to be provocative; it was actually germane to her planned curriculum.
      The kicker is the painting was literally one made by a Muslim.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

        The kicker is the painting was literally one made by a Muslim.
        And an interesting follow on:

        https://reason.com/2023/01/05/a-coll...accreditation/

        A College Fired a Professor for Showing a Painting of Muhammad. Now, It Could Lose Its Accreditation.

        On January 4, the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE) announced that it had filed a formal complaint with the Higher Learning Commission, Hamline's accreditor. The professor's "nonrenewal violates both HLC and Hamline policies clearly committing the university to free expression and its corollary, academic freedom for all faculty," wrote Alex Morey, FIRE's director of campus rights advocacy, in a letter to the accreditor.

        "We gave Hamline plenty of time to reverse course, but it's clear they're not planning to deliver on their academic freedom promises," Morey added in a press release. "If Hamline won't listen to free speech advocates or faculty across the country, they'll have to listen to their accreditor."

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
          I saw that, liberals don't have problems insulting Christian sensibilities because Christians don't rent trunks. Insult Muslims and it's:

          I'd rather this thread not be one for cheap political shots. I'm hoping for more substance. I say that because we can hardly extrapolate what "liberals" as a whole would do based on one incident.
          Last edited by KingsGambit; 01-08-2023, 07:03 PM.
          "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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          • #6
            Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post

            I'd rather this thread not be one for cheap political shots. I'm hoping for more substance. I say that because we can hardly extrapolate what "liberals" as a whole would do based on one incident.
            Maybe not "liberals" but Muslims are a protected minority under the Democrat big tent. So that's not a big leap.

            Actually, it is provocative. I can't fathom any reason for it.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ronson View Post

              Maybe not "liberals" but Muslims are a protected minority under the Democrat big tent. So that's not a big leap.

              Actually, it is provocative. I can't fathom any reason for it.
              I believe it was a religious art class.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

                The kicker is the painting was literally one made by a Muslim.
                Then too:

                the syllabus issued by the lecturer notified students they would see holy figures across religions, including the Prophet Muhammad and the Buddha.

                Additionally, López Prater allegedly gave students a heads up moments before the painting was shown, giving them another chance to leave the room if they didn't feel comfortable looking at the picture.

                Again, no students brought any concerns or exited the classroom during the October lecture.


                The student had the option of leaving the class and chose not to. IMO her action is even more egregious than those of gays looking for Christian bakeries to prosecute.
                1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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                Scripture before Tradition:
                but that won't prevent others from
                taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                of the right to call yourself Christian.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post

                  I'd rather this thread not be one for cheap political shots. I'm hoping for more substance. I say that because we can hardly extrapolate what "liberals" as a whole would do based on one incident.
                  The Left's contempt for Christianity is probably best displayed by a photograph of a crucifix submerged in urine known as Piss Christ for which the artist the received US tax payer funds. Obama declined to denounce the piece despite previously denounce an anti-Islamic film.
                  P1) If , then I win.

                  P2)

                  C) I win.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/08/u...tmhHS7lVPRCn4M

                    This was an adjunct professor, so it wasn't difficult to fire her on a technical level.

                    She wasn't doing it to be provocative; it was actually germane to her planned curriculum.
                    Not to mention that she bent over backwards trying to accommodate anyone who might object.

                    Erika López Prater, an adjunct professor at Hamline University, said she knew many Muslims have deeply held religious beliefs that prohibit depictions of the Prophet Muhammad. So last semester for a global art history class, she took many precautions before showing a 14th-century painting of Islam’s founder.

                    In the syllabus, she warned that images of holy figures, including the Prophet Muhammad and the Buddha, would be shown in the course. She asked students to contact her with any concerns, and she said no one did.

                    In class, she prepped students, telling them that in a few minutes, the painting would be displayed, in case anyone wanted to leave.

                    Then Dr. López Prater showed the image — and lost her teaching gig.


                    Hamline is a private university so they can champion academic censorship if they choose, but I hope their funding dries up and students pick another school to attend.


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
                      I saw that, liberals don't have problems insulting Christian sensibilities because Christians don't rent trunks. Insult Muslims and it's:

                      Likely why you never see an outraged gay rights activist going into Muslim-owned bakeries (any that advertises the food is halal, so not too difficult to find) for a wedding cake. It's almost like they're afraid that the cake might explode or something.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        Likely why you never see an outraged gay rights activist going into Muslim-owned bakeries (any that advertises the food is halal, so not too difficult to find) for a wedding cake. It's almost like they're afraid that the cake might explode or something.
                        Might be more difficult than you think; AFAIK, only meat can be halal; grain doesn't have to be ritually slaughtered.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          Likely why you never see an outraged gay rights activist going into Muslim-owned bakeries (any that advertises the food is halal, so not too difficult to find) for a wedding cake. It's almost like they're afraid that the cake might explode or something.
                          The world is offended by Christ, hence you only hear His name used, ever, as a curse. Nobody goes around saying Mohammed's name or Buddha's name or any other man-made deity's name as a slur.

                          I've considered this for a number of years, and it strikes home to me that it is a confirmation that Jesus Christ is the only means to salvation as He claimed. The unsaved unwittingly announce this every time they use His name in such a manner.

                          So a group that so actively seeks to flaunt their sin in God's face will do so by persecuting believers. Even if that’s not what they think they’re doing.

                          There might be a tad bit of fear there, too, in regards to seeking out Muslim bakeries or other businesses.


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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                            Might be more difficult than you think; AFAIK, only meat can be halal; grain doesn't have to be ritually slaughtered.
                            Only 10,500,000 results for a Google search for halal bakery.

                            While a Google map search for them doesn't return nearly as many as there are halal delis near where I live, there are two.

                            So, not too difficult.

                            I'm always still in trouble again

                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                            • #15
                              I think the class was on-line, so it would be very difficult for the lecturer to know if her class was paying attention to her warnings at the beginning. It would be better done in writing, approved by the college, and students attending the class had already signed up to viewing the painting.

                              But yes, very poor decision to fire her particularly after her boss had she had acted properly.
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