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  • Man Legally Changes Gender To Help Custody Battle, Infuriating Trans-Rights Groups

    In Ecuador, women have most of the rights in custody battles (sounds like even moreso than the bias in favor of women in the US that exists). In Ecuador, recent laws were pushed by trans groups into law to allow legal change to gender/sex on official identification/documents, etc.. So a father who hasn't seen his kids in months (and who says they are in a bad environment at home with the mother), decided to get declared a female to help him win the custody battle. And boy does that upset those trans groups (apparently one can only identify as another gender if they approve)

    A transgender rights group is up in arms after an Ecuadorian man changed his gender to help him win a custody battle for his kids.

    René Salinas Ramos, 47, told Ecuadorian news outlet La Voz del Tomebamba that the laws in his country favor mothers over fathers when it comes to custody battles. Therefore, he decided to legally change his gender, which he showed proof of by displaying his ID that now lists Salinas’s new gender identity: "FEMENINO."

    Salinas Ramos alleged his daughters were living in an abusive environment with their mother, and that he hasn’t been able to see them in over five months, according to La Voz del Tomebamba.

    “The laws say that the one who has the right is the woman. As of this moment, I am female. Now I’m also a mom, that’s how I consider myself,” Salinas Ramos reportedly told the local outlet. “I am very sure of my sexuality. What I have sought is that I want to be a mother, so that I can also give the love and protection of a mother.”

    Salinas Ramos noted that his actions were not “against anyone in particular, but against the system.”

    “Being a father in this country, Ecuador, is punished and looked at only as a supplier,” he reportedly argued.


    But despite Salinas Ramos's noble desire to win his kids back from their allegedly abusive mother, his gender change has trans activists in the country upset.

    Diane Rodríguez, the director of the Ecuadorian Federation of LGBTI Organizations, argues what Salinas Ramos is doing “isn’t the spirit of the law," according to VICE News.

    “We are afraid that in the Assembly things will go backwards and they will start legislating against us,” she added, according to VICE.

    Rodríguez’s organization also released a statement echoing her argument.

    “Although the optional gender change and sex change in the identity card of trans people is now a reality, it is important to indicate that the norm is not fully complied with,” the statement asserted. “We are surprised that a visibly cisgender man has passed with apparent ease the optional gender change in the ID, even when we have denounced that in the same city of Cuenca there have been problems for the recognition of gender and sex of Trans people.”

    In the end, the trans rights group requested that the Ecuadorian courts "make an interpretation on the application" of the current law in light of the circumstances surrounding Salinas Ramos.


    https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-wor...diane-rodrguez
    Trans groups right now:

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    They seem to have no problem with men who declare they're women in order to get trophies and other awards in girls and women's sports so I'm surprised this upsets them.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      They seem to have no problem with men who declare they're women in order to get trophies and other awards in girls and women's sports so I'm surprised this upsets them.
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      • #4
        I don't care what trans groups think. But I think that women shouldn't have more rights than men in custody battles. The law is similar in my country and I think it's very wrong. Someone being able to change gender to get different legal outcomes shows the sexism inherent in the current laws, not a problem with people being able to change gender.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          I don't care what trans groups think. But I think that women shouldn't have more rights than men in custody battles. The law is similar in my country and I think it's very wrong. Someone being able to change gender to get different legal outcomes shows the sexism inherent in the current laws, not a problem with people being able to change gender.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
            Starlight the MRA?!
            I support rights for men just as I support rights for everyone else. As a progressive I want to see everyone's wellbeing maximized, and that includes men just as much as anyone.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              I support rights for men just as I support rights for everyone else. As a progressive I want to see everyone's wellbeing maximized, and that includes men just as much as anyone.
              We can agree on supporting the rights of "everyone" and their well-being in theory, though the scope of "everyone" and the details of "well-being" would be points of contention. I suppose that would make me a "progressive" .
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              • #8
                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                They seem to have no problem with men who declare they're women in order to get trophies and other awards in girls and women's sports so I'm surprised this upsets them.
                Are you? How surprising!
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  I don't care what trans groups think. But I think that women shouldn't have more rights than men in custody battles. The law is similar in my country and I think it's very wrong. Someone being able to change gender to get different legal outcomes shows the sexism inherent in the current laws, not a problem with people being able to change gender.
                  It actually shows both. The wrongness of sexist laws and the lunacy that a man can become a woman
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
                    In Ecuador, women have most of the rights in custody battles (sounds like even moreso than the bias in favor of women in the US that exists). In Ecuador, recent laws were pushed by trans groups into law to allow legal change to gender/sex on official identification/documents, etc.. So a father who hasn't seen his kids in months (and who says they are in a bad environment at home with the mother), decided to get declared a female to help him win the custody battle. And boy does that upset those trans groups (apparently one can only identify as another gender if they approve)



                    Trans groups right now:

                    xmhyj7tyk0y31.jpg
                    I get why they are angry. The "change" is disingenuous. It's the equivalent the satanic temple claiming a "religious belief".

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                      I get why they are angry. The "change" is disingenuous. It's the equivalent the satanic temple claiming a "religious belief".
                      No moreso than their own 'change'.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

                        No moreso than their own 'change'.
                        Not quite. I have no doubt that 90% of those claiming transgender BELIEVE they are being thier true self. (Note: belief doesn't mean truth). Whereas this guy made the change to take advantage of a legal loophole, not because he believed he was a woman.


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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                          Not quite. I have no doubt that 90% of those claiming transgender BELIEVE they are being thier true self. (Note: belief doesn't mean truth). Whereas this guy made the change to take advantage of a legal loophole, not because he believed he was a woman.

                          Not really. Everyone claiming transgender knows that they aren't actually becoming that other gender (despite their protestations otherwise). Just like this guy.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

                            Not really. Everyone claiming transgender knows that they aren't actually becoming that other gender (despite their protestations otherwise). Just like this guy.
                            Honestly, I don't think it's worth trying to discuss with you Gond. You get dogmatic and I don't think it matters what I say, you'll just deny and spin like Shuny does.

                            I'll put it this way and leave it at that. This guy transitioned, on paper, for reasons entirely unrelated to "being transgender" he made the legal transition solely for the legal ramifications. This is compared to people who honestly believe that they are "transgender" (again, regardless of whether they are right or wrong).

                            Like I said, it's analogous to the satanic temple claiming "religious exemptions". They know their claim is a sham and done purely for political reasons. Everyone ELSE knows it's a sham done purely for political reasons. But since the law doesn't allow the government to test claims/religions, it creates a weird loophole.

                            In other words, it's like arguing with H_A. You KNOW she's not actually posing any belief of her own, she's just saying words to be contrarian.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                              Not quite. I have no doubt that 90% of those claiming transgender BELIEVE they are being thier true self. (Note: belief doesn't mean truth). Whereas this guy made the change to take advantage of a legal loophole, not because he believed he was a woman.

                              I don't doubt there are at least some that really believe that, but let's be honest, you're 90% is just opinion. But even assuming your 90% is true, they still make up a very small minority of the populace. I think the point here is that if we cater to this small minority, there will be those that exploit our accommodations to this small minority -- i.e. men that like the thought of dominating women in athletics, men that want to rape women in prison, or a man that sees it as a way to gain an advantage in the legal system, etc.

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