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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI have no reason to doubt that you have a large library.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by eider View Post
OK, then, so say something now.
Would you kick a stranger out of your field is s/he was just praying? Yes? or No?
Although, considering where I live, I'd be more inclined to tell them to move on because to be on my property means to be standing on my door step. A bit too close for comfort.
So has it finally sunk in that there is a difference between public property, where the public has a right to be, and private property, where such access is much more restricted?
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
All any government needs to do is allow (or even provoke) civil unrest to the point where the population will accept martial law - after that, the final blow is only a formality. Hitler made use of the technique before he became chancellor. Gangs of thugs, answerable to him, running riot. Laws introduced to put a stop to the problems, and giving him more power than he ordinarily would have had. And the public acquiesced because "now" was better than "then." (to forestall: yes it is an oversimplified account of a very complex situation.)
The only way to keep your constitution (or anyone else's) in force is through vigilance.
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Originally posted by eider View Post
I did wander back through the early posts because I think that you linked the PSPO document for that site, but I never did find it.
I'll have another look around....... I can't answer you until I have found it.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
Yes!
A promise you can depend on!
And we can demand that bacon go back to like it was before the war.
A promise you can depend on!
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI've thought about this since you first posed the question. I look back over the years at how I've responded to people on my yard and figure that most likely my reaction would have been to tell them to leave when they finished. And if they were still there after several minutes I'd let them know they had a reasonable time to finish and it was time for them to leave.
Although, considering where I live, I'd be more inclined to tell them to move on because to be on my property means to be standing on my door step. A bit too close for comfort.
So has it finally sunk in that there is a difference between public property, where the public has a right to be, and private property, where such access is much more restricted?
Again...... I'm sad that on occasions buffoons can get to write laws and orders. From the beginning I have told that this person's presence was enough.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
And ...Yes....... in this case she was arrestable as soon as she entered the area. She has a past history of demonstrating at and being at such venues for 18 years.
The Police wanted to speak with her about previous incidents.
PC:- I'll ask you once more, will you voluntarily come to the police station with me to answer some questions about today and further days where there are allegations that you have broken public space orders?
She refused. He arrested her.
The order which you showed reads:- ‘Protesting’ means being in the restricted area (whether by yourself or with others)....' and since this woman had a previous history, and since she couldn't give a lawful reason for being there........ she was 'being there'...... loitering.
Some other PSPOs (Manchester area) havev a different PSPO and groups of more than three persons are not allowed, but this order excluded that phrase.
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Originally posted by eider View Post
Thank you for that....
And ...Yes....... in this case she was arrestable as soon as she entered the area. She has a past history of demonstrating at and being at such venues for 18 years.
The Police wanted to speak with her about previous incidents.
PC:- I'll ask you once more, will you voluntarily come to the police station with me to answer some questions about today and further days where there are allegations that you have broken public space orders?
She refused. He arrested her.
The order which you showed reads:- ‘Protesting’ means being in the restricted area (whether by yourself or with others)....' and since this woman had a previous history, and since she couldn't give a lawful reason for being there........ she was 'being there'...... loitering.
Some other PSPOs (Manchester area) havev a different PSPO and groups of more than three persons are not allowed, but this order excluded that phrase.
You have two choices Eider, you can either voluntarily give me your wallet, or I will shoot you and take your wallet.
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Originally posted by eider View Post
Thank you for that....
And ...Yes....... in this case she was arrestable as soon as she entered the area. She has a past history of demonstrating at and being at such venues for 18 years.
The Police wanted to speak with her about previous incidents.
PC:- I'll ask you once more, will you voluntarily come to the police station with me to answer some questions about today and further days where there are allegations that you have broken public space orders?
She refused. He arrested her.
The order which you showed reads:- ‘Protesting’ means being in the restricted area (whether by yourself or with others)....' and since this woman had a previous history, and since she couldn't give a lawful reason for being there........ she was 'being there'...... loitering.
Some other PSPOs (Manchester area) havev a different PSPO and groups of more than three persons are not allowed, but this order excluded that phrase.
P1) If , then I win.
P2)
C) I win.
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Originally posted by eider View Post
Sunk in? It has sunk in that your ideas about freedom are much stranger than mine. I don't mind folks praying anywhere....... where I live the action of Trespass is not criminal, cannot be arrested, carries no record.
Again...... I'm sad that on occasions buffoons can get to write laws and orders. From the beginning I have told that this person's presence was enough.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
I still love the use of the term "voluntarily" here. Come with us voluntarily, or we will arrest you and take you with us.
You have two choices Eider, you can either voluntarily give me your wallet, or I will shoot you and take your wallet.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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