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  • Civil Rights hero Fred Phelps dies

    http://ksn.com/2014/03/20/founder-of...helps-sr-dies/

    Throughout his life, Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church, a small congregation made up almost entirely of his extended family, tested the boundaries of free speech, violating accepted societal standards for decency in their unapologetic assault on gays and lesbians. In the process, some believe he even helped the cause of gay rights by serving as such a provocative symbol of intolerance.
    I smell a conspiracy brewing up.

    The article reviews his life but strangely ignores his role in the civil rights movement altogether.
    "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

    There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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    • #3
      Oooooh my.
      Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette

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      • #4
        Maybe because whatever role he played in the civil rights movement was insignificant compared to what else he was known for (and willingly sought publicity for, with an army of press releases and whatnot).
        "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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        • #5
          Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
          Maybe because whatever role he played in the civil rights movement was insignificant compared to what else he was known for (and willingly sought publicity for, with an army of press releases and whatnot).
          He wasn't insignificant though. And protesting homosexuality is more significant than civil rights? His role in the latter was certainly more pivotal than in the former. If anything his role in the former was disastrous, hence my suspicion that he's a part-time progressive mole on top of being a tort troll. And the point is that they did a run-through of his life, and intentionally purged anything anyone might find good.



          ^ not journalism
          "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

          There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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          • #6
            His protests were over more than homosexuality. He didn't become a national name until he started going after soldiers.
            "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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            • #7
              Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
              His protests were over more than homosexuality. He didn't become a national name until he started going after soldiers.
              Yes, because they fought for a country that protects and enables homosexuals. It all ties back to homosexuality. Once he finished protecting America from racists he took on protecting America from homosexuals as his pet issue.
              "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

              There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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              • #8
                I wasn't aware of the Civil rights work, but it kind of fits in with a generally "contrarian" personality.

                Defending blacks in a "Jim Crow" era would have been just as provocative as protesting funerals later.

                Seems like he just enjoyed ticking off as many people as he could, no mater what the cause.
                "The Lord loves a working man, don't trust whitey, see a doctor and get rid of it."

                Navin R. Johnson

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                  Yes, because they fought for a country that protects and enables homosexuals. It all ties back to homosexuality. Once he finished protecting America from racists he took on protecting America from homosexuals as his pet issue.
                  Yes, but there's a right, and wrong way to do things. Protesting people's funerals is just crossing the line.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TimelessTheist View Post
                    Yes, but there's a right, and wrong way to do things. Protesting people's funerals is just crossing the line.
                    But that isn't DE's point. Is it okay to rewrite a person's history to omit any good they did because of a later evil? Or should we let their history speak for itself?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                      But that isn't DE's point. Is it okay to rewrite a person's history to omit any good they did because of a later evil? Or should we let their history speak for itself?
                      I tend to favor representations of the truth that are as close to factual as possible. In the past, authority figures have repeatedly done the opposite (omitting bad things people have done and emphasizing the good, thus creating hero figures). I don't like either because it can skew people's perception of reality, if they aren't looking closely enough.

                      People are a mix of good and bad. I'm not sure why we resist coming to terms with that.
                      "If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                        I smell a conspiracy brewing up. ...

                        ... hence my suspicion that he's a part-time progressive mole on top of being a tort troll. ...
                        Seriously?
                        βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον
                        ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

                        אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                          But that isn't DE's point. Is it okay to rewrite a person's history to omit any good they did because of a later evil? Or should we let their history speak for itself?
                          Consider Martin Luther... most people acknowledge his later anti-Semitism/support of death penalty for Anabaptists but his legacy remains because he is overwhelmingly known for his role in the Reformation. Here Phelps is overwhelmingly known for his international campaign of making Christianity look stupid. I honestly think that anybody who is trying to portray Phelps as a genuine civil rights hero is more or less trolling.
                          "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                          • #14
                            The amount of damage he did to Christianity and the amount of support he provided for the gay marriage movement is not insignificant.
                            "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                            • #15
                              Like it or not, Fred Phelps likely did not go into the civil rights movement for the right reasons. He more likely did it because he wanted to stir up controversy and create trouble. All of his life, Phelps did things that caused problems and attacked the majority in order to cause hatred. His life was centered on attracting attention and causing hatred. The man did not have any good cause in him. He lived to be hated, and lived to hate. Phelp's cause was to make hate and anger popular.
                              His entire life showed that.
                              A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
                              George Bernard Shaw

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