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  • #16
    Originally posted by Machinist View Post
    The Supreme Court could still overturn a federal law though. I don't see how passing this new gay marriage law will afford any protection.
    They theoretically could overturn the federal law too, yes. It depends how much SCOTUS wants to pretend they are doing their job, versus openly become dictators.

    SCOTUS could, theoretically, literally write any judgement at all on any subject that said anything. But they are supposed to stick to matters of actual legal interpretation rather than being politicians and writing laws.

    They could easily come up with plausible legal reasoning to undo the constitutional right to same-sex marriage.

    They can't easily come up with plausible legal reasoning to remove a federal right to same-sex marriage. Their judgement would basically have to amount to "we're just dictators now and gonna remove laws we don't like". At the end of the day, the populace probably wouldn't stand for SCOTUS just being open dictators on an issue where their view was so much in the minority, and it would potentially collapse the US system of government.

    Basically this makes it 100x harder for SCOTUS to remove the right to same-sex marriage.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Machinist View Post

      The Supreme Court could still overturn a federal law though. I don't see how passing this new gay marriage law will afford any protection.
      Virtue signaling...
      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        They theoretically could overturn the federal law too, yes. It depends how much SCOTUS wants to pretend they are doing their job, versus openly become dictators.

        SCOTUS could, theoretically, literally write any judgement at all on any subject that said anything. But they are supposed to stick to matters of actual legal interpretation rather than being politicians and writing laws.

        They could easily come up with plausible legal reasoning to undo the constitutional right to same-sex marriage.

        They can't easily come up with plausible legal reasoning to remove a federal right to same-sex marriage. Their judgement would basically have to amount to "we're just dictators now and gonna remove laws we don't like". At the end of the day, the populace probably wouldn't stand for SCOTUS just being open dictators on an issue where their view was so much in the minority, and it would potentially collapse the US system of government.

        Basically this makes it 100x harder for SCOTUS to remove the right to same-sex marriage.
        Wow. So abortion was never federally protected? When the Supreme Court over turned Roe v Wade, that wasn't overturning a federal law?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Machinist View Post

          The Supreme Court could still overturn a federal law though. I don't see how passing this new gay marriage law will afford any protection.
          I thought the SCOTUS already ruled on this, Obergefell v. Hodges, so this legislation is more symbolic than functional anyway.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Machinist View Post
            What is this new law supposed to provide, exactly? How will things be different now with gay marriages?
            States will be forced to recognize homosexual civil unions performed in other states which effectively makes it impossible for any state to outlaw it.
            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
            Than a fool in the eyes of God


            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Ronson View Post

              I thought the SCOTUS already ruled on this, Obergefell v. Hodges, so this legislation is more symbolic than functional anyway.

              "On June 26, 2015, the United States Supreme Court ruled in a landmark decision that the 14th Amendment requires all states to license marriages between same-sex couples and to recognize all marriages that were lawfully performed out of state."


              I guess if it ain't broke, fix it till it is.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by seer View Post

                Yes of course they are immoral. Why am I wrong?
                Only premised on your own rather narrow and bigoted opinions.



                Originally posted by seer View Post
                Liar...
                I fail to see the distinction between a ranting pastor's view on mixed marriage and your own on SSM.

                In both instances the individuals are considered [by those condemning them] to be engaged in a sin that has been decreed to be so by God
                "It ain't necessarily so
                The things that you're liable
                To read in the Bible
                It ain't necessarily so
                ."

                Sportin' Life
                Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                  Only premised on your own rather narrow and bigoted opinions.
                  Why is that opinion immoral or wrong?

                  I fail to see the distinction between a ranting pastor's view on mixed marriage and your own on SSM.
                  That is because Edited by a Moderator and the truth is not in you...

                  In both instances the individuals are considered [by those condemning them] to be engaged in a sin that has been decreed to be so by God
                  Interracial marriage is not a sin in scripture, period.
                  Last edited by Bill the Cat; 12-10-2022, 05:59 AM.
                  Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by seer View Post

                    Why is that opinion immoral or wrong?
                    It attempts to impose a particular view of sexual behaviour between consenting adults and insists that that view is the only correct one. What would be next?

                    Sexual relations should only take place in the dark, with nightwear still being worn [but partially removed from the appropriate area] and with the man on top?

                    Originally posted by seer View Post
                    Interracial marriage is not a sin in scripture, period.
                    Many Christians used to think it was [or rather they twisted and interpreted certain Hebrew texts in order to justify their view] and in the USA that view held for some considerable time.

                    Judging by my link that view [at least among some] has not gone away.

                    "It ain't necessarily so
                    The things that you're liable
                    To read in the Bible
                    It ain't necessarily so
                    ."

                    Sportin' Life
                    Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                      It attempts to impose a particular view of sexual behaviour between consenting adults and insists that that view is the only correct one. What would be next?
                      Nothing would be next, that is the way it was for most of US history. Sodomy, Adultery, Fornication were illegal. And the rest of the culture did not fall apart, as a matter of fact in that time we became the most free, wealthy, and powerful Nation on earth.

                      Sexual relations should only take place in the dark, with nightwear still being worn [but partially removed from the appropriate area] and with the man on top?
                      And that is bad - why?

                      Many Christians used to think it was [or rather they twisted and interpreted certain Hebrew texts in order to justify their view] and in the USA that view held for some considerable time.

                      Judging by my link that view [at least among some] has not gone away.
                      You would have to show the biblical justification, if you can't there is no comparison... And you should have not made it - an apology is in order...

                      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by seer View Post

                        Nothing would be next, that is the way it was for most of US history. Sodomy, Adultery, Fornication were illegal.
                        Yet they still persisted.

                        Originally posted by seer View Post
                        And the rest of the culture did not fall apart, as a matter of fact in that time we became the most free, wealthy, and powerful Nation on earth.
                        Likewise racial and sexual inequality also existed in that great and glorious past of yours.

                        Originally posted by seer View Post
                        And that is bad - why?
                        Really? Are you serious? Do you know nothing of female sexual arousal or the female orgasm?

                        Originally posted by seer View Post

                        You would have to show the biblical justification, if you can't there is no comparison... And you should have not made it - an apology is in order...
                        I do not have to show anything. I am not the one alleging that mixed marriages are a sin decreed by God - that is the position of some of your fellow Christians.

                        "It ain't necessarily so
                        The things that you're liable
                        To read in the Bible
                        It ain't necessarily so
                        ."

                        Sportin' Life
                        Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                          Yet they still persisted.
                          Of course sin will persist until Christ returns. But there was no slippery slope as you suggested.

                          Likewise racial and sexual inequality also existed in that great and glorious past of yours.
                          One does not have to agree with all past attitudes, to agree with some or most...

                          Really? Are you serious? Do you know nothing of female sexual arousal or the female orgasm?
                          I'm asking what is wrong with what you said? I never mentioned my own sexual practices...

                          I do not have to show anything. I am not the one alleging that mixed marriages are a sin decreed by God - that is the position of some of your fellow Christians.
                          Yes you do, if you want to make the comparison. I see clear biblical justification for one and none for the other.

                          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by seer View Post

                            Of course sin will persist until Christ returns. But there was no slippery slope as you suggested.
                            Have you read any works on human sexuality?

                            Originally posted by seer View Post
                            One does not have to agree with all past attitudes, to agree with some or most...
                            Repressive societies repress.


                            Originally posted by seer View Post
                            I'm asking what is wrong with what you said? I never mentioned my own sexual practices...
                            I never mentioned your sexual practises I asked if you knew anything about female sexuality. If her partner has no awareness of what gives her pleasure and gives her no opportunity to reach her own orgasm a woman will become sexually frustrated or even start to resent sex because she gets no pleasure from it.

                            Originally posted by seer View Post

                            Yes you do, if you want to make the comparison. I see clear biblical justification for one and none for the other.
                            Perhaps you should contact Happy Valley Church and see what verses they are using.

                            "It ain't necessarily so
                            The things that you're liable
                            To read in the Bible
                            It ain't necessarily so
                            ."

                            Sportin' Life
                            Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Machinist View Post


                              "On June 26, 2015, the United States Supreme Court ruled in a landmark decision that the 14th Amendment requires all states to license marriages between same-sex couples and to recognize all marriages that were lawfully performed out of state."


                              I guess if it ain't broke, fix it till it is.
                              It is dishonest to pretend that a danger doesn't exist that the current conservative court will not reverse that ruling. And there are options if there was ever an indication the court might try to invalidate the new law. The justices can be impeached. And the configuration of the court can be changed. But those are such draconian measures I don't know if there could ever be sufficient consensus to make such adjustments.

                              However, the more this trend continues, the more the legitimacy of the court as an impartial legal arm is undermined. They need to stick to legal and constitutional reasoning, without goals or entanglements with political parties or issues.

                              Arguments they've been on this road a while as counters are foolish. They need to be impartial. Ratcheting up the partiality administration to administration in a bid for petty revenge is putting party above country. We've had enough of that for one century.
                              My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                              If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                              This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                                Have you read any works on human sexuality?
                                Does Alfred Kinsey count? How about Marquis de Sade? I loved his stuff when I was younger...

                                Repressive societies repress.
                                Right, we should not repress the purely natural desire to rape...

                                I never mentioned your sexual practises I asked if you knew anything about female sexuality. If her partner has no awareness of what gives her pleasure and gives her no opportunity to reach her own orgasm a woman will become sexually frustrated or even start to resent sex because she gets no pleasure from it.
                                Well a moral and obedient wife would not even bring up such unseemly things...

                                Perhaps you should contact Happy Valley Church and see what verses they are using.
                                If you have no idea if there is any biblical justification why would you make the comparison? Since you know I am working from a Biblical worldview.

                                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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