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Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
Even without the federal law, the Constitution would enforce the recognition of legal marriages from one state in all states. You're complaining about a redundant federal law. It's basically for show.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
Nope. You suggest that Article IV should be read as saying, essentially, that if something is legal in one state, then it should be accepted as legal in all states, except it doesn't work that way. For instance, in my state, it's legal to carry a firearm without any special licensing, but it would not be legal for me to go to another state that requires licensing and walk around with a gun in my pocket. For that matter, weapon licenses are generally not honored across state lines. Neither, for the most part, are law and medical licenses, and many other certifications. Or how about drugs? Certain narcotics are currently legal in Colorado, but that doesn't make them legal in other states. And none of this is unconstitutional, so why should homosexual civil unions be any different?P1) If , then I win.
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
No. It's there so that what happened with Roe does not so easily happen. Currently the protection of gay marriage comes from state laws (and not all states have it) and from the Obergefell SCOTUS case. If the current justices overturn that decision like they did with Roe, then no federal protection is in place. Hence this law.P1) If , then I win.
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Originally posted by Ronson View Post
That portion of the 14th has been a joke for decades. Ever since federal agencies began seizing money and property without even charging individuals, and not returning them. I remember reading about one case where the person had to keep submitting the same forms over and over to regain seized property - and I don't think he ever got it back. I will vote for any candidate from any party who vows to put the reins on these stormtroopers.P1) If , then I win.
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Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
I'm surprised no one has challenged it to set the precedent,
but gay civil unions are not legally distinct from straight civil unions. If a straight civil union carries over from states, logically a gay civil union would as well.
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
We're talking about marriages, not civil unions.P1) If , then I win.
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Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
Marriage is a sacrament, as far as the State is concerned, it's a civil union. As far as the State is concerned, it's a domestic relationship contract and even includes torts like cheating. Before no-fault divorces, there was tortious interference, ie the person with whom the spouse was cheating on the partner.
Whether you like it or not religiously, marriage is the term in our government. There is currently no law in the US that allows civil unions - all were repealed in the last decade.Last edited by Gondwanaland; 12-10-2022, 04:22 PM.
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Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
The transference of gay civil unions across state lines before the law.
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
Nope. As far as the state is concerned, it's a marriage. Civil unions were a thing being pushed in the 00s for gay people that had some similarities to legal marriage but lacked a number of privileges married couples received.
Whether you like it or not religiously, marriage is the term in our government..P1) If , then I win.
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Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
It's only a "marriage" insomuch of religious heritage. There's no legal difference between a getting married through a nuptial mass or going to a clerk. The certificate/licence is the civil aspect that matters. People are free to get religiously married but not have the union to have civil merit. It's a civil union by another name.
But calling it something it legally is not (aka civil union) just makes you look clueless. Civil unions were never equal to marriages legally, thus why there was the push for gay marriage.
The law being discussed in the OP has NOTHING to do with civil unions. Zero. Zip. Nada. Zilch.
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
It is a marriage. A civil union is a legally different thing and is no longer extant. If you want to call it legal vs religious marriage, that would make sense. But calling it something it legally is not just makes you look clueless. Civil unions were never equal to marriages legally, thus why there was the push for gay marriage.
The law being discussed in the OP has NOTHING to do with civil unions. Zero. Zip. Nada. Zilch.P1) If , then I win.
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Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
A gay "marriage" is not legally different than a straight "marriage". Do you prefer that? If a straight "marriage" is able to be transferred from state to state, then logically a gay "marriage" would similarly be transferred from state to state. The fact a state does not recognise gay "marriage" does not negate the legality of the "marriage" in the state in which it was entered.
Civil union is not an extant thing in this country.
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
That's at least accurate, despite the retarded scare quotes.
Civil union is not an extant thing in this country.P1) If , then I win.
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