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  • Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post

    Yeah, "allows for" often means that something is being allowed to happen or that the situation allows something to happen in the future, while "calls for" means it needs to be done.
    See my previous post. But in general, if someone points out what is allowed for to correct a wrong they have suffered, they are appealing for for the wrong to be corrected, and offering a suggested way to get it done.
    My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

    If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

    This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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    • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

      See my previous post. But in general, if someone points out what is allowed for to correct a wrong they have suffered, they are appealing for for the wrong to be corrected, and offering a suggested way to get it done.
      Here's the thing. Trump is an idiot when it comes to many things, like science, or even the law. He is not a lawyer or a politician. And he has a bad case of having no filter at all. So he just spews out stuff without thinking, stream of consciousness style. It doesn't mean he has some nefarious plan to destroy the constitution. Just like he didn't mean for people to inject bleach when he wondered out loud about injecting something to "clean out" covid. He is just venting because he thinks he was cheated out of the election.


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      • Originally posted by Sparko View Post

        Here's the thing. Trump is an idiot when it comes to many things, like science, or even the law. He is not a lawyer or a politician. And he has a bad case of having no filter at all. So he just spews out stuff without thinking, stream of consciousness style. It doesn't mean he has some nefarious plan to destroy the constitution. Just like he didn't mean for people to inject bleach when he wondered out loud about injecting something to "clean out" covid. He is just venting because he thinks he was cheated out of the election.
        Not just like that at all sparko. Jan 6. This is just the continuation of that effort, and DT is fine with whatever it takes, as long as he doesn't go to jail for it. As long as it works out ok for him. Just like he didn't care that there were armed people in the jan 6 gathering, because it wasn't him they were after.
        My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

        If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

        This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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        • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

          See my previous post. But in general, if someone points out what is allowed for to correct a wrong they have suffered, they are appealing for for the wrong to be corrected, and offering a suggested way to get it done.
          That's a meaning, but it's not the only one. As I pointed out Trump is notoriously bad with stating his ideas, and this fits with that pattern of speaking. I can't stand Trump, but between his previous actions and his previous issues it fits the other meaning better. People who hate Trump, and people who like him are reading him in both ways. When there is that much doubt on both sides I go with the more charitable reading.

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          • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

            You are entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it might be. From a logic standpoint, if you are available to listen to such, he is claiming his situation 'allows for' - which means it somehow could warrant doing so. But then he adds that our founding fathers would not tolerate such 'flawed elections' which means good patriots certainly would not allow for such and would most certainly do what is allowed for to correct it.

            There really is no way around it. He is saying his situation calls for the constitution to be suspended so the flawed election can be corrected. No true patriot would do any less.
            Or... he saying that the Constitution was suspended in order to allow a flawed election to stand, and that our Founding Fathers would have never condoned such an act by our government.

            But, of course, you and only you know what Trump "Really MeantTM".
            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
            Than a fool in the eyes of God


            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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            • Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post

              That's a meaning, but it's not the only one. As I pointed out Trump is notoriously bad with stating his ideas, and this fits with that pattern of speaking. I can't stand Trump, but between his previous actions and his previous issues it fits the other meaning better. People who hate Trump, and people who like him are reading him in both ways. When there is that much doubt on both sides I go with the more charitable reading.
              And as I've pointed out, people making excuses for Trump is the only reason the man is not already in jail.
              My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

              If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

              This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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              • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                Or... he saying that the Constitution was suspended in order to allow a flawed election to stand, and that our Founding Fathers would have never condoned such an act by our government.

                But, of course, you and only you know what Trump "Really MeantTM".
                That's not even a logical implication of what he said.

                Trump: kill the dog
                MM: what?
                Trump: oh I just meant pet the dog. Sorry.

                MM: you are and idiot for thinking trump said kill the dog.

                A Massive fraud allows for ...

                Not

                A Massive Fraud happened because...
                Last edited by oxmixmudd; 12-06-2022, 02:49 PM.
                My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

                  That's not even a logical implication of what he said.

                  Trump: kill the dog
                  MM: what?
                  Trump: oh I just meant pet the dog. Sorry.

                  MM: you are and idiot for thinking trump said kill the dog.
                  Trump: A dog bit me. I don't like being bitten by dogs. Dogs like that should be put down.
                  Oxmixmudd: Trump just declared that it's open season on dogs.

                  Trump is an idiot (and wrong). But in context, this wouldn't translate to suspending the constitution in it's entirety. It would be, in essence, installing him in Biden's place because he's the "rightful winner." That wouldn't impact congress, SCOTUS, bill of rights, or any of those other sections specified in the constitution.

                  So, yes. He's talking about overruling the constitution WRT to the election he lost, but he's NOT talking about suspending it entirely and becoming a dictator.

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                  • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

                    And as I've pointed out, people making excuses for Trump is the only reason the man is not already in jail.
                    Sorry, but that's absurd. The only people making excuses are Trump supporters that have little to no institutional power. They don't even have election power as we've seen demonstrated in spades, much less institutional power. That the establishment for 6 years has been threatening, predicting, attempting to put Trump in jail through multiple ongoing investigations yet has yet to deliver is proof that something is indeed amiss, but not because he's protected by a class of powerless Trump supporters.

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                    • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

                      That's not even a logical implication of what he said.

                      Trump: kill the dog
                      MM: what?
                      Trump: oh I just meant pet the dog. Sorry.

                      MM: you are and idiot for thinking trump said kill the dog.

                      A Massive fraud allows for ...

                      Not

                      A Massive Fraud happened because...
                      Yes, the massive fraud allowed for the rules to be suspended so that the fraudulent results could stand, and Trump says our Founding Fathers would have never condoned such a thing.

                      Or at least that's one reasonable way to interpret his words. There are, of course, other reasonable ways.

                      As for your strawman, Trump, in this instance, didn't say anything as pointedly unambiguous as "Kill the dog". It would be more like if he said, "Our laws allow for a dangerous dog to be put down, and, I don't know, is that dog over there dangerous? He looks like he could be. Maybe he is. I don't know, but if he is, maybe he should be put down," and then you get all hot and bothered and start thread titled "Trump just demanded that an innocent dog be killed!"
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • Some bad news for America's favorite idiot... Trump Organization found guilty on all counts of criminal tax fraud. The case was not against Donald Trump directly, just his companies, but the prosecution alleged Trump was himself directly involved in the tax fraud, while the defense asserted he didn't know about it.
                        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                        • The idiot’s lawyer is struggling a bit too, it seems:


                          Giuliani has signaled interest in bringing in witnesses to talk about their investigation into supposed voting “irregularities.” His initial list of potential witnesses included several prominent names in Trump world, including some who played central roles in pushing Trump’s election fraud lies, but his lawyers have since indicated that many of those witnesses won’t be testifying on advice of their own counsel.
                          … part of a report about his discipline hearing.

                          An empty brain carrying an empty sack as far as I can tell. As much as anyone, he deserves a heavy penalty.
                          “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                          “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                          “not all there” - you know who you are

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                          • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

                            And as I've pointed out, people making excuses for Trump is the only reason the man is not already in jail.
                            So throw out the principal of charitable interpretation because it's Trump? Sorry, but now, I'm not throwing that out just because I don't like him.

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                            • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                              You are entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it might be.
                              It's not my opinion, Jim - it's cold hard fact. It's all there in black and white.
                              You misquoted him because your version supports your prejudiced view, then you built on that.

                              If I say "that situation allows for me to punch you in the face", it does not mean I'm actually going to do it, or want it done.
                              Now, If I say "that situation calls for me to punch you in the face", that's a horse of a different stable.
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                                It's not my opinion, Jim - it's cold hard fact. It's all there in black and white.
                                You misquoted him because your version supports your prejudiced view, then you built on that.

                                If I say "that situation allows for me to punch you in the face", it does not mean I'm actually going to do it, or want it done.
                                Now, If I say "that situation calls for me to punch you in the face", that's a horse of a different stable.
                                I didn't misquote him cp. I gave the exact quote of his words. A misquote would require at least one word in the quote I used was incorrect

                                And his wording does not allow for a meaning in which he is not suggesting, calling for, suspending the constitution in what he said.
                                My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                                If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                                This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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