America's favorite idiot wants to suspend the constitution

[oxmixmudd]

What Trump wanted to happen on Jan 6, and what he clearly said, was that his supporters were to proceed to the Capitol to "make your voices patriotically and peacefully heard". But, of course, you have that special insight for knowing what he Really Meant^TM.

I don't need to have special insight MM. Trumps speech on that day hammered home the idea the election had been stolen against the backdrop of speeches prior to his own using direct metaphors for battle. But more importantly, the audience had already been primed to violence by what had transpired in the weeks and months before. They were already armed, already had plans for how they would enter, already had plans to detain. Trump fueled that fire on that day but also in the weeks and months prior, as has been made quite clear in the jan 6 hearings. Further, it was his intent to join them at the Capitol, and he was stopped by the SS from doing so.

again, the constant drone of denial, and the gaslighting of those sounding the alarms, as we see here in this thread, continues to enable this man to continue leading people like yourself on a path to destruction. It is a phenomena I've head described wrt hitler and how he manipulated otherwise good people to do unspeakable things. Books have been written trying to understand how some people have that capacity to do what Trump is doing. I don't know if we'll ever fully understand it, but one thing is sure.


People like Trump only succeed because other people choose to walk away from what they know is right lured by the false pretense of some greater good or personal gain.

[Thoughtful Monk]

Probably the day after they stop attaching "gate" to every political scandal.

I'm figuring a few months after Trump goes to his eternal reward.

[Cow Poke]

Except, of course, that he's still living rent-free in the heads of many of his enemies.

I don't think this is fair. While one could perhaps say this for a while after he lost re-election (though even then Trump did repeatedly inject himself back into the spotlight), he's now running for President again. Given that, it's not like people are bringing him up for no reason; he is the one putting himself in the heads of his enemies through his actions of running again.

Yes, I saw your post before you deleted it, which is why I posted this....

This was specifically in response to the notion that "Trump's time has passed". I wish he would go away.

If he's saying stupid things like that, it's all the more reason that he should go away.

However, you have a good point.

[Cow Poke]

Again, the danger Trump represents is a danger to the fundamentas of our nation - trust in elections, wanton abuse of power, respect for the oath of office and the constitution, etc - is much more immediate threat than anything happening on the Democrat side. All that is necessary to fix the problem is for the GOP to abandon him. But the fact they have instead compromised themselves almost completely on his behalf means that they ALSO are part of that danger. Trump needs to go away, the GOP needs to find its own redemption from having allowed themselves to become Trumps minions, and until those things happen, the only way the nation as we know it survives is if the Democrats are in charge.

but a BETTER solution would be for the Republicans to find something resembling principle again, let Trump pay the penalties he deserves to pay based on his actions, and find a new path towards moderating the liberal direction of the Democrats. And finding a way back to civil discussion of those differences.

None of that happens as long as GOP leadership is so compromised that they are even willing to violate their oath to protect and uphold the constitution in order to appease this man.

Do you think the Democrat Leadership is, in any way, carrying out God's Will in any aspect?

[Cow Poke]

"I have the greatest vocabulary. It's so great that I don't even need to tell you how great it is. It's just great. The greatest vocabulary."
"Do you know any superlatives besides 'great'?"
"Of course I do, but great is a great word. It's the greatest word."

That's beautiful.

[Mountain Man]

I don't need to have special insight MM. Trumps speech on that day hammered home the idea the election had been stolen against the backdrop of speeches prior to his own using direct metaphors for battle. But more importantly, the audience had already been primed to violence by what had transpired in the weeks and months before. They were already armed, already had plans for how they would enter, already had plans to detain. Trump fueled that fire on that day but also in the weeks and months prior, as has been made quite clear in the jan 6 hearings. Further, it was his intent to join them at the Capitol, and he was stopped by the SS from doing so.

again, the constant drone of denial, and the gaslighting of those sounding the alarms, as we see here in this thread, continues to enable this man to continue leading people like yourself on a path to destruction. It is a phenomena I've head described wrt hitler and how he manipulated otherwise good people to do unspeakable things. Books have been written trying to understand how some people have that capacity to do what Trump is doing. I don't know if we'll ever fully understand it, but one thing is sure.


People like Trump only succeed because other people choose to walk away from what they know is right lured by the false pretense of some greater good or personal gain.

Regardless of anything else, Trump's instructions explicitly called for his supporters to act peacefully, but you're trying to convince us that it was said with a wink, and that he really meant the exact opposite.

[Cow Poke]

That is the story line that was being told all the way to jan 6. And yet, his people heard him and did their best to make what he wanted to happen happen. And it almost succeeded, excepting those n the GOP who stood him down.

Trump is a 'genius' when it comes to manipulating people into fighting for him. If you had asked me six years ago if an immoral philandering narcissist could win the undying support of evangelicals and racists and even neo-nazis all at the same time to the point of violence in the US Capitol in an attempt to overthrow an election, I'd say they were insane.

And yet, here we are.

wow

[Cow Poke]

You are completely missing the swinging of the pendulum, and how it had swung so far to the left that the right became desperate for someone who would stand up to the abuses being perpetrated by the left. Trump was the first Republican candidate in quite a while with a spine and wasn't willing to compromise on very important issues. Trump being elected was just a sign of the momentum of the pendulum swinging to the left had started to run out, and now it's going to swing back to the right and hard*. As long as you continue focusing on one side as being "the bad guys" you will eternally misunderstand the problems, what led to them, and worst of all perpetuate them. Your hatred of Republicans, and specifically Trump, is so much that you miss all of the dangers the Democrats and their antihuman allies pose(like the WEF). Both parties are absolutely terrible, and the extremes on both sides are bad, but we live in a world that predictably follows cause and effect. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. You are just as bad, and arguably worse than everyone here you decry so much when it comes to this. You are just as tribalistic, stubborn, and myopic as the "alt-right", but you refuse to see it because of the very same mindset that fuels the alt-right. Until you can dig yourself out of that mire, you won't ever be able to see clearly just how all of this works.

*That's not a good thing, as it always manages to overshoot where it should be. Both sides abuse power when they have it. However, right now the left has much further reach and influence than the right has ever had. All of those things the left put in place to make their power more wide reaching and abusable will then be in the hands of the right, and the results will not be pretty. The only way for this to not happen is for humanity to pull their heads out of their collective rear ends.

Post of the Day Material.

[Stoic]

He likes to be important, he has a big ego. He wants to be president again because of that. He doesn't have much of a chance so you shouldn't worry too much about it.

I'll believe he doesn't have much of a chance after he loses badly in a number of primaries, and is far behind in delegates.

[Cow Poke]

I'll believe he doesn't have much of a chance after he loses badly in a number of primaries, and is far behind in delegates.

I'm hoping for something like that.

[CivilDiscourse]

I'll believe he doesn't have much of a chance after he loses badly in a number of primaries, and is far behind in delegates.

I wonder if democrats will make him a "pied piper" candidate like Hillary did in 2016, or like Democrats did with other "dangers to democracy" in 2022.

[oxmixmudd]

Do you think the Democrat Leadership is, in any way, carrying out God's Will in any aspect?

Keeping in mind God's will wrt the details is understood rather differnty across the whole of Christendom:

In many ways, sure. Their positions on global warming are more on target in terms of a valid theological perspective than the Republicans, more in line with what is good for us and life on this planet. They certainly have the higher ground wrt immigration and caring for the poor, even if their policies for implementing that high ground may not be competent. They certainly do not tolerate sucking up to white supremacists and neo-nazis. And they certainly don't promote the idea a 12 year old raped girl should be forced to carry a baby to term - something you and I probably disagree with in terms of what God's will is.

[oxmixmudd]

I'm hoping for something like that.

We agree.

[oxmixmudd]

You are completely missing the swinging of the pendulum, and how it had swung so far to the left that the right became desperate for someone who would stand up to the abuses being perpetrated by the left. Trump was the first Republican candidate in quite a while with a spine and wasn't willing to compromise on very important issues. Trump being elected was just a sign of the momentum of the pendulum swinging to the left had started to run out, and now it's going to swing back to the right and hard*. As long as you continue focusing on one side as being "the bad guys" you will eternally misunderstand the problems, what led to them, and worst of all perpetuate them. Your hatred of Republicans, and specifically Trump, is so much that you miss all of the dangers the Democrats and their antihuman allies pose(like the WEF). Both parties are absolutely terrible, and the extremes on both sides are bad, but we live in a world that predictably follows cause and effect. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. You are just as bad, and arguably worse than everyone here you decry so much when it comes to this. You are just as tribalistic, stubborn, and myopic as the "alt-right", but you refuse to see it because of the very same mindset that fuels the alt-right. Until you can dig yourself out of that mire, you won't ever be able to see clearly just how all of this works.

*That's not a good thing, as it always manages to overshoot where it should be. Both sides abuse power when they have it. However, right now the left has much further reach and influence than the right has ever had. All of those things the left put in place to make their power more wide reaching and abusable will then be in the hands of the right, and the results will not be pretty. The only way for this to not happen is for humanity to pull their heads out of their collective rear ends.

What I hate is the fact that the GOP stripped itself naked publicly for a prostitute promising them glory and power.

The rest is just me standing up for what is right and true in the midst of lies and compromise.

[Diogenes]

If Trump somehow managed to be the Republican nominee in 2024, I'd vote for him. Democrats already want to expand SCOTUS because they're throwing a temper tantrum over Barrett. I'll vote for whomever has the (R) in the 2024 general.