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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostI'll take that as an attempt at humor.
More seriously is the comparison to nebachudnezzar that has been used to deceive a large number of Christians almost to the point they are willing to Bow down to him as an idol or savior.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
No, it isn't. It is a continuation of XDS that started during the Bush years, then into the Obama years, and the Trump Years. I try to remain civil with you ox, but it's these wild declarations of yours that really do make you seem obsessive with tunnel vision
Get over Obama derangement syndrome
Obama Derangement Syndrome
Charles Krauthammer: Bush Derangement Syndrome is spreading
And from a month earlier: The Return of Clinton Derangement Syndrome -- that's from before Trump was nominated by the Republicans (although he was the presumptive nominee since May).
And from February 2016, around the time of the first primary: Clinton Derangement Syndrome Is Alive and Well
Okay, enough of this, let's skip a few dozen and jump back to June 2014 -- a year before Trump even announced his candidacy: Here Comes Clinton Derangement Syndrome
And skipping over another one from earlier in 2014, and a few more from 2013... back in November 2009 -- when Trump was a Democrat enamored by Obama and Hillary: Clinton derangement syndrome
I pretty much quit at that point.
Btw, there was a book published in 2009 by Kevin M. Culwell titled "Reagan Derangement Syndrome"
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Are any of them biggies in the Democratic Party, Jim? Have any of them become millionaires while sucking the public teat?
Back to --- if you don't absolutely hate Trump....
I know this may come as a complete shock to you, brother - but even Democrats will post on their websites what they think their base wants to hear.
Either you're for abortion or against it, Jim. You seem to have a really hard time just flat out saying that abortion is wrong.
My position, which is derived from both science and fairly in depth study of ex 21:22-23 is that the earliest phases are not yet a human person ( though most certainly human life) and as such there do exist cases in that early period where abortion is justified that do not threaten the woman's own right to live. Rape and incest being two of them.
"focus on it"? How bout - if you look on a woman with lust you have already committed adultery in your heart?
He took what was already known to be sin and expanded upon it.
And he demonstrated how to do that with the woman at the well, and the woman caught in adultery
Yeah, you kinda left out the part where He told her not to do it anymore.
Jesus never pointed to government programs to care for the poor, Jim. Never. Neither did the rest of the NT. My "day job" is 'caring for the poor' through our faith based programs, and all the Democrats have done there is to make the job much harder with a lot more red tape.
As for government red tape, I'm sure it's a pain in the backside, and I don't fault you for being annoyed by it even a littleLast edited by oxmixmudd; 12-05-2022, 03:00 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
"Trump explicitly said X, but I know he really mean Y!" is not a fact, it is delusional paranoia.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 12-05-2022, 03:04 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostDid I miss the part where you restricted your disdain to specific individuals?
Which is making an excuse for why that did it, not countering the fact they did do it.
Not true. Almost Everyone makes at least one exception: when the pregnancy threatens the life of the mother. So in reality, there are almost no people that are against abortion in the absolute sense.
My position, which is derived from both science and fairly in depth study of ex 21:22-23 is that the earliest phases are not yet a human person ( though most certainly human life) and as such there do exist cases in that early period where abortion is justified that do not threaten the woman's own right to live. Rape and incest being two of them.
He didn't mention health care plans or moon landings either. Such things, AFAIK didn't exist in his time. However, they evolved in our nation and others in response, at least indirectly, to the moral sense of obligation to the poor instilled in our culture by the church and the teachings of Christ.
You start with an argument from silence - I show you two areas where Jesus most certainly condemned sexual sin, but you ignore those and talk about moon landings.
As for government red tape, I'm sure it's a pain in the backside, and I don't fault you for being annoyed by it even a little
So, lemme try to narrow this down a bit, because the 'back and forth' gets a bit tedious.
Abortion.
You seem not to be troubled at all that the Democrat Party is majorly pro-abortion, in bed in an incestual with Planned Parenthood, and justify it by the standard liberal argument regarding "personhood". The unborn baby is not yet a "person", but you won't be able to tell me when that baby magically transitions between "not a person" and "a person".
Christian Charity.
You seem to be of a mind that God approves of the liberals doing an incredibly inefficient job of "relief", much of which just enables the poor, and much of which prevents charitable organizations from actually doing what they do best.
But I get it -- you're a "social gospel" kind of guy, apparently focusing much more on the temporal than the eternal.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
OK, you really need to stop this "half Gospel" utter nonsense ---- “Neither do I. Go and sin no more.” It is necessary for your argument that you totally ignore the condemnation Jesus had for the sexual sin --- He didn't tell her, "you're fine, just keep doing what you're doing".
The woman at the well? He called her out for her sexual sin. That he wasn't on a campaign against sexual sin is beside the point - he clearly condemned it.
Where is a direct condemnation? He merely told her what her history was wrt marriage. There is no condemnation or even rebuke in his words. He just won't let her tell him a half truth about her history.
Do you suppose she would have been so happy and eager to tell the town all about Him if the part of the conversation not recorded was how evil and sinful she was?
The woman caught in adultery, go and sin no more is what he told her AFTER he released her with 'neither do I condemn you' But no where have I said he condoned her actions. What i have emphasized is that he chose not to condemn her without any overt declaration of repentence on her part.
Again, the point im making is the Mercy and Grace given in such instances. The place for rebuke was to the rich and powerful, those that are the oppressors, those that ignore the plight of the poor.
And that stands in direct opposition to conservative approaches to these same issues.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostWhere is a direct condemnation?
He merely told her what her history was wrt marriage. There is no condemnation or even rebuke in his words. He just won't let her tell him a half truth about her history.
Do you suppose she would have been so happy and eager to tell the town all about Him if the part of the conversation not recorded was how evil and sinful she was?
The woman caught in adultery, go and sin no more is what he told her.
But no where have I said he condoned her actions.
What i have emphasized is that he chose not to condemn her without any overt declaration of repentence on her part.
again, the point im making is the Mercy and Grace given in such instances.
The place for rebuke was to the rich and powerful, those that are the oppressors, those that ignore the plight of the poor.
And that stands in direct opposition to conservative approaches to these same issues.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
Actually MM, you are imposing your own prejudice and bias on my words if you think I'm saying Jesus winked at any sin. My words are about the hypocrisy of the conservative reversal of Jesus' priorities, not whether or not certain sexual acts are sinful.
In the few passages we have addressing personal sexual morality by Jesus, Jesus offered grace to those caught in or otherwise not living what was considereed righteous private lives wrt sex. But he offered stern and uncompromising rebuke to those who ignored the poor or otherwise lived in lavish comfort without a thought for their plight and especially for those who heaped hardship on those already struggling.
One can't help but see the obvious implications of that reality against what those calling for righteousness in conservative circles advocate.
Also, it's not just conservatives who are living in lavish comfort without giving a thought for the poor. Look what happened in the ultra liberal community of Martha's Vineyard when 30 illegal immigrants showed up on a bus: they called the National Guard and had the illegals hauled away in less than 48-hours. To pretend that greed and callousness is only a conservative vice is intellectually dishonest.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Diogenes View PostIf Trump somehow managed to be the Republican nominee in 2024, I'd vote for him. Democrats already want to expand SCOTUS because they're throwing a temper tantrum over Barrett. I'll vote for whomever has the (R) in the 2024 general.
If Trump is the nominee in 2024 would I vote for him? Most likely, unless the Democrat Party does a complete 180 in the meantime.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
I have not said even once in this thread anything in that form, or even that implies anything like what that sort of statement implies. I in each post reference known facts, statements, and events.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAbortion, substance abuse, sexual promiscuity, homosexuality, even atheism were not critical issues for first century Israel. There was no debate that those things were a sin, so Jesus did not need to focus on them, nor was it relevant to his ministry which was about correcting misunderstandings of the Old Covenant and establishing the New Covenant through his death and resurrection. To take from this that we should therefore not confront certain sins when they become relevant to us is a fundamental distortion of scripture. Notice in Paul's epistles that he does, in fact, directly confront reports of sexual immorality and drunkenness and harshly condemns them. If we follow your reasoning, Paul was out of step with the teachings of Jesus. Do you really believe that?
It's always a troubling sign when a Christian has to go to "well JESUS never said...." even when the rest of the NT "says".
Also, it's not just conservatives who are living in lavish comfort without giving a thought for the poor. Look what happened in the ultra liberal community of Martha's Vineyard when 30 illegal immigrants showed up on a bus: they called the National Guard and had the illegals hauled away in less than 48-hours. To pretend that greed and callousness is only a conservative vice is intellectually dishonest.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThis would put him in the same camp as H_A and (whoever else) who are arguing that Paul's "gospel" was entirely different from the Gospel of Jesus.
It's always a troubling sign when a Christian has to go to "well JESUS never said...." even when the rest of the NT "says".Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
This is "Red Letter Christianity" thinking, where the words attributed to Jesus are given more importance than the rest of scripture when, in fact, every word in the Bible is equally important because they all come from the same source.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Yes, which is why the section often known as "God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity" by Paul in Romans 1 must be ignored - "Jesus never condemned homosexuality".
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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