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  • Originally posted by Ronson View Post
    On this recent cold wave, I was somewhat surprised to read the description from climatologists. First, they described it as an arctic blast, the cold front sent south due to the arctic vortex wobbling. No problem there.

    But then they changed the wording. Instead of saying that the "normal" arctic vortex spins in a tight circle, they replaced that with a "healthy" vortex spins in a tight circle. So what does that make this arctic blast? It was the result of an "unhealthy" vortex. It is pretty bad to assign "health" to something non-living, but I'm sure the slight change will be used to describe an unhealthy planet due to Climate Change. So predictable.
    It can be summed up in this meme.....


    HEY YANKEES -- your winter is drunk and in our back yard -- come get it and take it back home!
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

      Yepl I have family in Orlando and on Christmas Day they went down to Ft Myers to see some of the damage around places we've been to there as kids and to tour the Ford-Edison Winter Estates. They said it barely rose above freezing all day in both cities, coldest they've seen in years.
      In years is instructive. The coldest Miami temp in record was 27 in 1917. The last time Miami saw freezing was 1989. How does this cold snap compare to those is the actual question wrt AGW. Is this a historically severe cold event, and if so, does it exceed extremes seen 50 years ago, 100 years ago and so on.
      My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

      If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

      This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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      • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        My brother was complaining that it got down to freezing for most of a day in Florida where he lives.
        The most poignant thing I read about the recent extreme cold in Florida was the iguanas freezing to death.
        "It ain't necessarily so
        The things that you're liable
        To read in the Bible
        It ain't necessarily so
        ."

        Sportin' Life
        Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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        • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

          It can be summed up in this meme.....


          HEY YANKEES -- your winter is drunk and in our back yard -- come get it and take it back home!


          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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          • Not in the Piedmont of North Carolina. No snow, not even flurries.
            Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
            Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
            But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

            go with the flow the river knows . . .

            Frank

            I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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            • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

              It can be summed up in this meme.....


              HEY YANKEES -- your winter is drunk and in our back yard -- come get it and take it back home!
              More like "HEY INUITS -- "

              Even Yankees don't normally have this kind of winter weather.

              inuit.jpg
              Last edited by Ronson; 12-28-2022, 01:32 PM.

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              • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                But nothing is nuttier than squirrel poop
                Main ingredient in Aunt Patsy's fruitcake!
                Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                go with the flow the river knows . . .

                Frank

                I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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                • Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                  On this recent cold wave, I was somewhat surprised to read the description from climatologists. First, they described it as an arctic blast, the cold front sent south due to the arctic vortex wobbling. No problem there.

                  But then they changed the wording. Instead of saying that the "normal" arctic vortex spins in a tight circle, they replaced that with a "healthy" vortex spins in a tight circle. So what does that make this arctic blast? It was the result of an "unhealthy" vortex. It is pretty bad to assign "health" to something non-living, but I'm sure the slight change will be used to describe an unhealthy planet due to Climate Change. So predictable.
                  I dunno - I've heard it said that someone got a healthy dose of comeuppance.
                  1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                  .
                  ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
                  Scripture before Tradition:
                  but that won't prevent others from
                  taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                  of the right to call yourself Christian.

                  ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                  • Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                    On this recent cold wave, I was somewhat surprised to read the description from climatologists. First, they described it as an arctic blast, the cold front sent south due to the arctic vortex wobbling. No problem there.

                    But then they changed the wording. Instead of saying that the "normal" arctic vortex spins in a tight circle, they replaced that with a "healthy" vortex spins in a tight circle. So what does that make this arctic blast? It was the result of an "unhealthy" vortex. It is pretty bad to assign "health" to something non-living, but I'm sure the slight change will be used to describe an unhealthy planet due to Climate Change. So predictable.
                    I do not believe this terminology was used by climatologist. Likely these terms were used by weather forecasters on TV and in layman news outlets. If you believe that scientists use this terminology please cite the specific scientific literature.

                    Yes, the severe snow storms in the North, the increase in winter toronados in the South, and the extreme storms hitting the Pacific Coast are the result of global warming as previously described and referenced by legitimate scientists in scientific literature. More references to follow on this.

                    The following is worthy of note:
                    Source: https://apnews.com/article/science-exxon-mobil-corp-new-jersey-business-climate-and-environment-e9594dc9adb504a81ec82f4ac2b72ef9



                    Study: Exxon Mobil accurately predicted warming since 1970s

                    DENVER (AP) — Exxon Mobil’s scientists were remarkably accurate in their predictions about global warming, even as the company made public statements that contradicted its own scientists’ conclusions, a new study says.

                    The study in the journal Science Thursday looked at research that Exxon funded that didn’t just confirm what climate scientists were saying, but used more than a dozen different computer models that forecast the coming warming with precision equal to or better than government and academic scientists.

                    This was during the same time that the oil giant publicly doubted that warming was real and dismissed climate models’ accuracy. Exxon said its understanding of climate change evolved over the years and that critics are misunderstanding its earlier research.

                    Scientists, governments, activists and news sites, including Inside Climate News and the Los Angeles Times, several years ago reported that “Exxon knew” about the science of climate change since about 1977 all while publicly casting doubt. What the new study does is detail how accurate Exxon funded research was. From 63% to 83% of those projections fit strict standards for accuracy and generally predicted correctly that the globe would warm about .36 degrees (.2 degrees Celsius) a decade.

                    The Exxon-funded science was “actually astonishing” in its precision and accuracy, said study co-author Naomi Oreskes, a Harvard science history professor. But she added so was the “hypocrisy because so much of the Exxon Mobil disinformation for so many years ... was the claim that climate models weren’t reliable.”

                    Study lead author Geoffrey Supran, who started the work at Harvard and now is a environmental science professor at the University of Miami, said this is different than what was previously found in documents about the oil company.

                    “We’ve dug into not just to the language, the rhetoric in these documents, but also the data. And I’d say in that sense, our analysis really seals the deal on ‘Exxon knew’,” Supran said. It “gives us airtight evidence that Exxon Mobil accurately predicted global warming years before, then turned around and attacked the science underlying it.”

                    The paper quoted then-Exxon CEO Lee Raymond in 1999 as saying future climate “projections are based on completely unproven climate models, or more often, sheer speculation,” while his successor in 2013 called models “not competent.”

                    Exxon’s understanding of climate science developed along with the broader scientific community, and its four decades of research in climate science resulted in more than 150 papers, including 50 peer-reviewed publications, said company spokesman Todd Spitler.

                    “This issue has come up several times in recent years and, in each case, our answer is the same: those who talk about how ‘Exxon Knew’ are wrong in their conclusions,” Spitler said in an emailed statement. “Some have sought to misrepresent facts and Exxon Mobil’s position on climate science, and its support for effective policy solutions, by recasting well intended, internal policy debates as an attempted company disinformation campaign.”

                    Exxon, one of the world’s largest oil and gas companies, has been the target of numerous lawsuits that claim the company knew about the damage its oil and gas would cause to the climate, but misled the public by sowing doubt about climate change. In the latest such lawsuit, New Jersey accused five oil and gas companies including Exxon of deceiving the public for decades while knowing about the harmful toll fossil fuels take on the climate.

                    Similar lawsuits from New York to California have claimed that Exxon and other oil and gas companies launched public relations campaigns to stir doubts about climate change. In one, then-Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey said Exxon’s public relations efforts were “ reminiscent of the tobacco industry’s long denial campaign about the dangerous effects of cigarettes.”

                    Oreskes acknowledged in the study that she has been a paid consultant in the past for a law firm suing Exxon, while Supran has gotten a grant from the Rockefeller Family Foundation, which has also helped fund groups that were suing Exxon. The Associated Press receives some foundation support from Rockefeller and maintains full control of editorial content.

                    Oil giants including Exxon and Shell were accused in congressional hearings in 2021 of spreading misinformation about climate, but executives from the companies denied the accusations.

                    University of Illinois atmospheric scientist professor emeritus Donald Wuebbles told The Associated Press that in the 1980s he worked with Exxon-funded scientists and wasn’t surprised by what the company knew or the models. It’s what science and people who examined the issue knew.

                    “It was clear that Exxon Mobil knew what was going on,” Wuebbles said. “The problem is at the same time they were paying people to put out misinformation. That’s the big issue.”

                    There’s a difference between the “hype and spin” that companies do to get you to buy a product or politicians do to get your vote and an “outright lie ... misrepresenting factual information and that’s what Exxon did,” Oreskes said.

                    Several outside scientists and activists said what the study showed about Exxon actions is serious.

                    “The harm caused by Exxon has been huge,” said University of Michigan environment dean Jonathan Overpeck. “They knew that fossil fuels, including oil and natural gas, would greatly alter the planet’s climate in ways that would be costly in terms of lives, human suffering and economic impacts. And yet, despite this understanding they choose to publicly downplay the problem of climate change and the dangers it poses to people and the planet.”

                    Cornell University climate scientist Natalie Mahowald asked: “How many thousands (or more) of lives have been lost or adversely impacted by Exxon Mobil’s deliberate campaign to obscure the science?”

                    Critics say Exxon’s past actions on climate change undermine its claims that it’s committed to reducing emissions.

                    After tracking Exxon’s and hundreds of other companies’ corporate lobbying on climate change policies, InfluenceMap, a firm that analyzes data on how companies are impacting the climate crisis, concluded that Exxon is lobbying overall in opposition to the goals of the Paris Agreement and that it’s currently among the most negative and influential corporations holding back climate policy.

                    “All the research we have suggests that effort to thwart climate action continues to this day, prioritizing the oil and gas industry value chain from the “potentially existential” threat of climate change, rather than the other way around,” said Faye Holder, program manager for InfluenceMap.

                    “The messages of denial and delay may look different, but the intention is the same.”

                    © Copyright Original Source



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                    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                    go with the flow the river knows . . .

                    Frank

                    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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                    • I wish the global warming would hurry up and get here. I haven't been able to ride my local mountain bike trail in weeks on account of the fact that it's been too cold to dry the ground out, and it's poor mountain biking etiquette to ride when the trail is wet enough to leave furrows.
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • No snow in Philadelphia or South Jersey yet this season; a flurry but not even a dusting.

                        The Weather Channel would give names to snowstorms that would affect ten million people. Maybe they should start giving names to mild seasons that affect more then ten million. Maybe they could also start naming dry seasons. Like maybe Gavin Drought.
                        When I Survey....

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                        • Originally posted by Faber View Post
                          No snow in Philadelphia or South Jersey yet this season; a flurry but not even a dusting.

                          The Weather Channel would give names to snowstorms that would affect ten million people. Maybe they should start giving names to mild seasons that affect more then ten million. Maybe they could also start naming dry seasons. Like maybe Gavin Drought.
                          I do not believe names will help the millions of people impacted by the change in climate.

                          The increased intensity of the Pacific (including the increased influence of el nino and la nina), and Atlantic High pressures moving North is pushing the Jet Stream North and increased moisture and heat colliding with the Arctic Highs. The Jet Stream between them carries the storms across the North with the greatly increasing the intensity of the Pacific storms, and then the intense snow storms along the boundary region between Canada and the USA into New England. In contrast the Southeastern US up the Coast to New York receives far less snowfall. The old coastal Northeaster storm track becomes rare that brought snow to the Southeast.

                          In the summer the when the stronger dry high moves inland to the western and mid America you get increased droughts and fires.

                          The other bad news is the great increase in number and intensity of early winter tornados across the South, which in the past were rare.
                          Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                          Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                          But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                          go with the flow the river knows . . .

                          Frank

                          I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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                          • Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post

                            I do not believe names will help the millions of people impacted by the change in climate.

                            The increased intensity of the Pacific (including the increased influence of el nino and la nina), and Atlantic High pressures moving North is pushing the Jet Stream North and increased moisture and heat colliding with the Arctic Highs. The Jet Stream between them carries the storms across the North with the greatly increasing the intensity of the Pacific storms, and then the intense snow storms along the boundary region between Canada and the USA into New England. In contrast the Southeastern US up the Coast to New York receives far less snowfall. The old coastal Northeaster storm track becomes rare that brought snow to the Southeast.

                            In the summer the when the stronger dry high moves inland to the western and mid America you get increased droughts and fires.

                            The other bad news is the great increase in number and intensity of early winter tornados across the South, which in the past were rare.
                            The climate is and always has been changing and there are and always will be people impacted by those changes. Good thing we're literally the most adaptive species around and can adjust and adapt to those changes, as we have been doing for millenia.

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                            • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                              Several years ago, I was working a job in Florida when there was an overnight freeze that left cars covered in ice. All of the local workers were late arriving that morning because they weren't sure how to clear ice off a windshield. They had never had to do it before, and none of them owned even so much as an ice scraper!
                              There have always been years where there were freezes and even snow in the North. There were overnight freezes on occasion when I workd in North Florida in the 1970's. Part of the reason they have greatly reduced trying to grow fruit in Florida, Yes, they are resented become rare so therefore the migrant workers are indeed surprised and in part because they are new to the USA.
                              Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                              Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                              But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                              go with the flow the river knows . . .

                              Frank

                              I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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                              • Thought this was funny. Good ole Greta just recently deleted a tweet from 2018 that declared "a top global scientist is warning that climate change will wipe out all of humanity unless we stop using fossil fuels over the next five years" and linked to an article. Now why would she delete such a thing 5 years after tweeting it? hmmmmmm

                                The world’s foremost expert on climate change, Greta Thunberg, has been forced to delete an embarrassing tweet.

                                Perhaps no one on earth has better used the media’s desire to promote climate change alarmism than Thunberg.

                                She receives an exceptional amount of attention, even speaking at. U.N. Summit despite having no relevant expertise whatsoever.

                                As part of her activism, Thunberg has repeatedly warned of imminent disasters as a result of climate change.

                                But few, if any, have been as embarrassing as a 2018 tweet noticed by Jack Posobiec.

                                Thunberg shared a story with a quote saying “A top climate scientist is warning that climate change will wipe out all of humanity unless we stop using fossil fuels over the next five years.”

                                Well. It’s been five years, and uh…we’re all still here.



                                And in a stunning turn of events, instead of apologizing for the ridiculous prediction of catastrophe, Thunberg simply…deleted it.

                                Perfection.
                                https://www.outkick.com/climate-expe...has-not-ended/

                                https://www.opindia.com/2023/03/gret...y-fossil-fuel/
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                                Last edited by Gondwanaland; 03-12-2023, 01:05 PM.

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