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Indiana Deputy Shoots Teen During Vocational Class On Law Enforcement

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  • #16
    Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

    Aw, there he goes getting all emotional again.
    Sometimes I wonder if you realize that other people actually read these posts and see you for what you are.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

      Sometimes I wonder if you realize that other people actually read these posts and see you for what you are.
      Calm down.
      "When you're attacking FBI agents because you're under criminal investigation, you're losing"
      -Trump Press Secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders


      "So when you actually get the virus, you're going to start producing antibodies against multiple pieces of the virus. So, your antibodies are probably better at that point than the vaccination."
      - Pfizer Scientist Chris Croce

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

        Calm down.
        So, what's next in the Gondy Playbook - yet another attempt to tie me to H_A?

        You can play your little games, Gondy, I'll go back to actually discussing the topic at hand.
        I can always address you respectfully in civil conversation - you have proven an inability to do so in return.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          He should never have taken a loaded gun into a training situation where firearms would be used.
          There are so many training opportunities missed in this situation - such as very purposely and visibly setting his active duty weapon aside in a portable biometric gun vault.
          It is still immediately accessible to him as an active duty police officer, yet removes the possibility of accidental discharge.

          Then use the brightly colored obviously fake gun for all of the training. In a classroom, there is no reason to do otherwise.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

            Any training we do that is not actually "live fire" must be done with one of those bright red or blue plastic (or rubber) pistols that are so clearly NOT a gun that they can't be mistaken for one.

            training pistol.jpeg
            Even if the training weapon was a bright color, I wonder if the deputy's training worked against him, because anybody trained in firearm use will focus on their target instead of the weapon, and he was probably so used to looking down the barrel of a real gun anyway that it likely never occurred to him that there was anything amiss until he fired. I just can't imagine what he was feeling when he realized his mistake.

            But this only brings us back to the one question of why he had a live weapon in a training session!
            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
            Than a fool in the eyes of God


            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

              Even if the training weapon was a bright color, I wonder if the deputy's training worked against him, because anybody trained in firearm use will focus on their target instead of the weapon, and he was probably so used to looking down the barrel of a real gun anyway that it likely never occurred to him that there was anything amiss until he fired. I just can't imagine what he was feeling when he realized his mistake.

              But this only brings us back to the one question of why he had a live weapon in a training session!
              Presumably he would still be on duty as a SRO despite what was essentially a lecture. Why even pull any weapon during a seminar on what a cop would do in a situation? Was the cop incapable of using his fingers?

              Easy rule, don't point a weapon at someone (training, nonlethal, unloaded, loaded, etc.) unless you're prepared to pull the trigger.
              P1) If , then I win.

              P2)

              C) I win.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                Even if the training weapon was a bright color, I wonder if the deputy's training worked against him, because anybody trained in firearm use will focus on their target instead of the weapon, and he was probably so used to looking down the barrel of a real gun anyway that it likely never occurred to him that there was anything amiss until he fired. I just can't imagine what he was feeling when he realized his mistake.

                But this only brings us back to the one question of why he had a live weapon in a training session!
                Yes, this goes back to locking his duty weapon in a lock box at the very beginning of class as part of the lesson on safety, as well as the protection from such accidents.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Diogenes View Post

                  Presumably he would still be on duty as a SRO despite what was essentially a lecture. Why even pull any weapon during a seminar on what a cop would do in a situation? Was the cop incapable of using his fingers?

                  Easy rule, don't point a weapon at someone (training, nonlethal, unloaded, loaded, etc.) unless you're prepared to pull the trigger.
                  It sounds a bit silly, but when a cop is "re-enacting" a shoot scene, and needs to "aim" at another person, he will generally use his hand as a pretend gun like you suggest, so as not to risk an accidental discharge.

                  There was a situation many years ago where a Cleveland, Ohio police officer was explaining his recent "officer involved shooting" to other officers in the locker room, and he actually pulled his duty weapon and shot and killed one of his best friends.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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