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Originally posted by Ronson View Post
Perhaps that's a stereotype in someone's bubble on another planet. I've had many encounters with US police and not once did they come across as "super-cowards." I ran into several bullies but never cowards.
But, yeah, the most common accusation against cops was that they were too aggressive, which is opposite of what happened at Uvalde.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
All TRUE ambulances are white.
But, then again, they're "Mobile Intensive Care Units", so maybe they're not TRUE ambulances.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostI never used the word mockery. You introduced that.
It is believed to be a reality by many.
That would depend on the individual and the nature of the sin[s].P1) If , then I win.
P2)
C) I win.
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Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
Me thinks you're being intentionally obtuse.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Yeah, I'd agree.
In my early days of police academy, it was demonstrated over and over "you SAY you would react this way" - then an actual simulated event, and you find out you reacted totally differently.
Back to training and 'drilling'.....
Only after proper training and practice do you come close to "doing the right thing" every time.
I think this was why the MAJOR screwup in Uvalde --- cops are trained to respect the chain of command. The guy "at the top" was the school police chief who (Gondy blasts me for saying this) wasn't a "real cop" -- he was a paper pusher, a wanna-be real police chief, a "garet trooper" type. He is responsible for the bulk of the screwup.
Then, the officers who also failed miserably - they apparently never drilled using the Columbine protocol where "chain of command" goes out the window, and your sole mission is to advance to the shooter and neutralize him, disregarding injuries or other challenges along the way - and NOT waiting for backup. Most police departments with which I am familiar drill that way -- in a school shooting, chain of command is ignored, and the "first guy on the scene" is solely tasked with seek and destroy.
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Originally posted by Machinist View Post
Well, so much for that narrative...Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View Post
Where is our apology from the leftists on this board? FF?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
Heroes often don't consider what they did particularly heroic.
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1. The dingbat pushed the myth the Atlanta spa shootings were racially motivated and memory holes the Orlando Pulse Club massacre to try to make her point -- which was that the shooter, who identifies himself as non-binary and who's preferred personal pronoun is "Mx," is a Republican.
B) TWO Bronze Stars. Color me impressed. He's been a hero for awhile.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
All TRUE ambulances are white.
Gotta get me brudda a shirt just like that.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostFor one thing, enough time was allowed to weigh all of the options. It is the more quick-reaction scenarios that are problematic.
They improvised, and are heroes.
I think part of the complaint is that because there was plenty of time involved, that one or more officers should have broken training conditioning.
But I don't know and I'm not going to judge them. I wasn't there to hear what they might have been saying, or what they understood the situation to be.
Prior, it had been - wait for backup, form up in a "diamond formation", enter as a team to "clear" the building as you progress.
After columbine, the protocol was drastically changed to "forget chain of command, forget waiting for backup --- first man on the scene make a beeline to the shooter...."
This "school police chief" should have been well aware of that protocol. No excuse. Columbine was two and a half decades ago.
There is no record that any training had ever been conducted by that school police department or the local department.
What really surprised me was that the DPS officers didn't override the chain of command. That truly amazed me.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
In the case of the "let's roll" - this was a brand new scenario, not having been encountered before, so there was no protocol, formal or informal.
They improvised, and are heroes.
The "training condition" they followed no longer existed for school shootings.
But that's the point - ever since Columbine, the universal protocol for training in school shootings situations was drastically changed.
Prior, it had been - wait for backup, form up in a "diamond formation", enter as a team to "clear" the building as you progress.
After columbine, the protocol was drastically changed to "forget chain of command, forget waiting for backup --- first man on the scene make a beeline to the shooter...."
This "school police chief" should have been well aware of that protocol. No excuse. Columbine was two and a half decades ago.
There is no record that any training had ever been conducted by that school police department or the local department.
What really surprised me was that the DPS officers didn't override the chain of command. That truly amazed me.
But then again, the police pretty much botched the Parkland school shooting only a few years earlier so maybe we shouldn't be all that surprised.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAnd it isn't like there hasn't been any school shootings since Columbine so that lesson keeps getting reinforced, but something went very, very wrong in Uvalde.
But then again, the police pretty much botched the Parkland school shooting only a few years earlier so maybe we shouldn't be all that surprised.
Our PD (and others in our County) drill for this at least twice a year. Actually take over a local junior high or high school after hours and run through the entire scenario.
One of the reasons they're doing it so purposefully twice a year is because it's so different from what they had trained for previously.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
In the case of the "let's roll" - this was a brand new scenario, not having been encountered before, so there was no protocol, formal or informal.
They improvised, and are heroes.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Not enough actual training. And there was all kinds of federal money for it.
Our PD (and others in our County) drill for this at least twice a year. Actually take over a local junior high or high school after hours and run through the entire scenario.
One of the reasons they're doing it so purposefully twice a year is because it's so different from what they had trained for previously.
“It’s the reflex,” said Fierro to the assembled media outside his home on Monday. “Go! Go to the fire. Stop the action. Stop the activity. Don’t let no one get hurt. I tried to bring everybody back.”
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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