Democrats have ignored the massive damage that their policies have inflicted on America to campaign instead on abortion and "saving Democracy." By saving democracy they mean retaining power -- keeping Republicans out of office. Democrats claim it is essential for the sake of the country that they be permitted to continue running it into the ground is because Republicans are "election deniers" and nothing is more of a threat to the survival of the nation than that.
They even insist that Trump's denial of the accuracy of the 2020 vote is "unprecedented" -- but is it really?
The fact is that historically speaking the results of several U.S. elections have been called into question both legitimately and illegitimately. It is nothing new.
For instance, the 1800, 1824, 1876, and 1960 elections were all questioned for legitimate reasons. In some of these cases, a partisan House of Representatives decided the winner.
But let's look at more recent history.
In 2000, Al Gore did not accept the popular vote results in Florida and denied losing the presidential election. Instead he spent five weeks futilely contesting the state's tally, trying to get special, limited recounts of very specific areas -- until recounts and the Supreme Court certified it. This led to the Democrat election denial mantra that George W. Bush was "selected not elected" for years to come.
Gore himself would continue to complain that he really won, whining in 2017 that Jeb Bush "may have had something" to do with him losing Florida and saying a bit later "Actually, I think I carried Florida."
Other Democrats like Jimmy Carter kept claiming that "There is no doubt in my mind that Al Gore was elected president."
Likewise, Hillary Clinton, during a debate in 2016, proclaimed that the Supreme Court "took away a presidency" from Gore.
Terry McAuliffe routinely claimed the election was "stolen" and even refused to say that Bush had won.
Former DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman-Schultz was still declaring in 2016 that "did win the election."
15 House Democrats even objected to counting Florida’s electoral votes
But that's Democrat election denialism, so that doesn't count.
There was similar election denialism after the 2004 presidential race. The Democrats claimed that the election was "fixed."
Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) and 31 Democratic House members voted not to certify the Ohio election results in their efforts to overturn the election. Those denialists included the current sanctimonious chairman of the January 6 select committee, Rep. Benny Thompson (D-MS).
Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA) applauded their actions declaring that their denialism constituted an "important service for American democracy."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) agreed with Harkin, saying the election was the result of “manipulation” and therefore "flawed."
And then House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) praised Boxer’s challenge of the election, saying the debate is "fundamental to our democracy." Pelosi declared that it was "appropriate" to have a debate regarding the "integrity" of the 2004 election.
But that's Democrat election denialism, so that doesn't count.
After 2016, crackpot Democratic orthodoxy for years insisted that Trump had "colluded" with Russia to "steal" certain victory from Hillary Clinton. This was something that Hillary has repeatedly claimed over the years as I've previously noted
That is not a complete list of the times Hillary complained the election was stolen and Trump was illegitimate and it should be noted that old Joe has also declared the 2016 election illegitimate:
At a May 2019 Biden campaign event held New Hampshire there was a woman who kept going on and on about Trump being an "illegitimate president." Toward the end she said
Biden responded, "Would you be my vice presidential candidate?" Now that can be dismissed as joking but then Biden turned toward the crowd and declared "Folks, look, I absolutely agree." So he was removed any doubt and definitely agreed that he thought Trump was an "illegitimate president."
As I've also previously noted:
Of course there was also that list of denialist Hollyweird celebutards who cut television commercials begging members of the Electoral College to violate their oaths and instead flip the election to Hillary Clinton.
It should also be noted that old Joe filled a lot of positions in the White House with long time ardent election deniers. For instance, Biden’s Chief of Staff Ron Klain still claims that Al Gore won the 2000 election and Rep. Marcia Fudge (D-OH), who became Biden’s HUD Secretary, said that Trump wasn't a "legitimate president."
Finally, let's not forget about how that the same MSM that now regards questioning an election as a threat to democracy if not outright treason, were then echoing the claims of "stolen" elections and "illegitimate" presidents.
Here are the editorials run in the Washington Post (Trump is an illegitimate president whose election is tainted by fraud), U.S. News & World Report (The Illegitimate Victor), the Los Angeles Times (It's Becoming Clear: Trump Is an Illegitimate President[1]), the Guardian (One year on, Donald Trump is still an illegitimate president), Salon (Trumps presidency is illegitimate) and American Prospect (An Illegitimate Presidency).
And while we're at it, let's also not overlook the whole "Not My President Movement" which held Not My Presidents' Day rallies in over 30 cities on Presidents' Day and the New York Times ran an editorial Not My President, Not Now, Not Ever (a Washington Post-ABC poll found that a third of "Hillary Clinton supporters say Donald Trump's presidential victory is not legitimate"). There were already multiple instances of violent anti-Trump protests well before he was even elected. And the day after he was elected there was rioting in Oakland for three or four days, mostly caused by students from Berkeley. IIRC, when school authorities claimed the violence was done by outside agitators a number of students stepped forward and denied this was the case and proudly took responsibility.
Similar rioting took place in a number of other cities as well. Enough so that a reporter for the Chicago Tribune boasted that, unlike elsewhere, the protests in that city were "devoid of any of the heavy vandalism of effigy burning that occurred elsewhere"
But that's Democrat election denialism, so that doesn't count.
After 2016 we have Hillary, who insists Gore won in 2000, and she won in 2016, urging Joe Biden not to concede the 2020 election if he lost.
And does anyone remember how old Joe declared that the 2022 Midterms wouldn't be legitimate unless the Democrat's steal the vote legislation isn't passed? After Allison Ford asked Biden "Speaking of voting rights legislation, if this isn't passed, do you still believe the upcoming election will be fairly conducted and its results will be legitimate?"
Obviously reading his response, old Joe proclaimed:
The ever helpful press corp offered Biden a chance to walk that back but he doubled down on it instead.
But that's Democrat election denialism, so that doesn't count.
And finally, there is the case of unrepentant election denier Stacey Abrams, the Democrat candidate for governor. In spite of losing by over 50,000 votes she continues to claim that she won and the election was stolen.
Many of the usual election result denying Democrats immediately jumped on the bandwagon.
Hillary said that Stacey Abrams "would have won" the race "if she had a fair election" and that Abrams "should be governor" but was "deprived of the votes [she] otherwise would have gotten."
Sen. Corey "I-am-Spartacus" Booker (D-NJ) declared that, "I think that Stacey Abrams’s election is being stolen from her" with Sen. Elizabeth "Fauxcahontas" Warren (D-MA) agreeing saying that "the evidence seems to suggest" the race was stolen from Stacey Abrams.
Not to be excluded, Sherrod Brown (D-OH) said that "if Stacey Abrams doesn’t win in Georgia, they stole it" while former Vermont Governor and DNC chair Howard Dean told Abrams that she “should not concede” and that the election was "almost certainly stolen."
Another election denier on old Joe's staff, his new Press Secretary, Karin Jean-Pierre tweeted that the Georgia governor's race was stolen (she's yet another 2016 election denier as well).
But that's (say it with me folks) Democrat election denialism, so that doesn't count.
1. The online version changed the title to "Was the 2016 election legitimate? It's now definitely worth asking the question" but Real Clear Politics had the story with the original title.
They even insist that Trump's denial of the accuracy of the 2020 vote is "unprecedented" -- but is it really?
The fact is that historically speaking the results of several U.S. elections have been called into question both legitimately and illegitimately. It is nothing new.
For instance, the 1800, 1824, 1876, and 1960 elections were all questioned for legitimate reasons. In some of these cases, a partisan House of Representatives decided the winner.
But let's look at more recent history.
In 2000, Al Gore did not accept the popular vote results in Florida and denied losing the presidential election. Instead he spent five weeks futilely contesting the state's tally, trying to get special, limited recounts of very specific areas -- until recounts and the Supreme Court certified it. This led to the Democrat election denial mantra that George W. Bush was "selected not elected" for years to come.
Gore himself would continue to complain that he really won, whining in 2017 that Jeb Bush "may have had something" to do with him losing Florida and saying a bit later "Actually, I think I carried Florida."
Other Democrats like Jimmy Carter kept claiming that "There is no doubt in my mind that Al Gore was elected president."
Likewise, Hillary Clinton, during a debate in 2016, proclaimed that the Supreme Court "took away a presidency" from Gore.
Terry McAuliffe routinely claimed the election was "stolen" and even refused to say that Bush had won.
Former DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman-Schultz was still declaring in 2016 that "did win the election."
15 House Democrats even objected to counting Florida’s electoral votes
But that's Democrat election denialism, so that doesn't count.
There was similar election denialism after the 2004 presidential race. The Democrats claimed that the election was "fixed."
Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) and 31 Democratic House members voted not to certify the Ohio election results in their efforts to overturn the election. Those denialists included the current sanctimonious chairman of the January 6 select committee, Rep. Benny Thompson (D-MS).
Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA) applauded their actions declaring that their denialism constituted an "important service for American democracy."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) agreed with Harkin, saying the election was the result of “manipulation” and therefore "flawed."
And then House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) praised Boxer’s challenge of the election, saying the debate is "fundamental to our democracy." Pelosi declared that it was "appropriate" to have a debate regarding the "integrity" of the 2004 election.
But that's Democrat election denialism, so that doesn't count.
After 2016, crackpot Democratic orthodoxy for years insisted that Trump had "colluded" with Russia to "steal" certain victory from Hillary Clinton. This was something that Hillary has repeatedly claimed over the years as I've previously noted
That is not a complete list of the times Hillary complained the election was stolen and Trump was illegitimate and it should be noted that old Joe has also declared the 2016 election illegitimate:
At a May 2019 Biden campaign event held New Hampshire there was a woman who kept going on and on about Trump being an "illegitimate president." Toward the end she said
I think all the talk about impeachment and what the Democrats should do, that’s fine, it’s theoretical at this point. Let them investigate, let them subpoena, let them go to the Supreme Court, he's illegitimate.
Biden responded, "Would you be my vice presidential candidate?" Now that can be dismissed as joking but then Biden turned toward the crowd and declared "Folks, look, I absolutely agree." So he was removed any doubt and definitely agreed that he thought Trump was an "illegitimate president."
As I've also previously noted:
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Of course there was also that list of denialist Hollyweird celebutards who cut television commercials begging members of the Electoral College to violate their oaths and instead flip the election to Hillary Clinton.
It should also be noted that old Joe filled a lot of positions in the White House with long time ardent election deniers. For instance, Biden’s Chief of Staff Ron Klain still claims that Al Gore won the 2000 election and Rep. Marcia Fudge (D-OH), who became Biden’s HUD Secretary, said that Trump wasn't a "legitimate president."
Finally, let's not forget about how that the same MSM that now regards questioning an election as a threat to democracy if not outright treason, were then echoing the claims of "stolen" elections and "illegitimate" presidents.
Here are the editorials run in the Washington Post (Trump is an illegitimate president whose election is tainted by fraud), U.S. News & World Report (The Illegitimate Victor), the Los Angeles Times (It's Becoming Clear: Trump Is an Illegitimate President[1]), the Guardian (One year on, Donald Trump is still an illegitimate president), Salon (Trumps presidency is illegitimate) and American Prospect (An Illegitimate Presidency).
And while we're at it, let's also not overlook the whole "Not My President Movement" which held Not My Presidents' Day rallies in over 30 cities on Presidents' Day and the New York Times ran an editorial Not My President, Not Now, Not Ever (a Washington Post-ABC poll found that a third of "Hillary Clinton supporters say Donald Trump's presidential victory is not legitimate"). There were already multiple instances of violent anti-Trump protests well before he was even elected. And the day after he was elected there was rioting in Oakland for three or four days, mostly caused by students from Berkeley. IIRC, when school authorities claimed the violence was done by outside agitators a number of students stepped forward and denied this was the case and proudly took responsibility.
Similar rioting took place in a number of other cities as well. Enough so that a reporter for the Chicago Tribune boasted that, unlike elsewhere, the protests in that city were "devoid of any of the heavy vandalism of effigy burning that occurred elsewhere"
But that's Democrat election denialism, so that doesn't count.
After 2016 we have Hillary, who insists Gore won in 2000, and she won in 2016, urging Joe Biden not to concede the 2020 election if he lost.
And does anyone remember how old Joe declared that the 2022 Midterms wouldn't be legitimate unless the Democrat's steal the vote legislation isn't passed? After Allison Ford asked Biden "Speaking of voting rights legislation, if this isn't passed, do you still believe the upcoming election will be fairly conducted and its results will be legitimate?"
Obviously reading his response, old Joe proclaimed:
"It all depends on [long pause] whether or not we're able to make the case to the American people that some of this is being set up to try to alter the outcome of the election."
The ever helpful press corp offered Biden a chance to walk that back but he doubled down on it instead.
But that's Democrat election denialism, so that doesn't count.
And finally, there is the case of unrepentant election denier Stacey Abrams, the Democrat candidate for governor. In spite of losing by over 50,000 votes she continues to claim that she won and the election was stolen.
Many of the usual election result denying Democrats immediately jumped on the bandwagon.
Hillary said that Stacey Abrams "would have won" the race "if she had a fair election" and that Abrams "should be governor" but was "deprived of the votes [she] otherwise would have gotten."
Sen. Corey "I-am-Spartacus" Booker (D-NJ) declared that, "I think that Stacey Abrams’s election is being stolen from her" with Sen. Elizabeth "Fauxcahontas" Warren (D-MA) agreeing saying that "the evidence seems to suggest" the race was stolen from Stacey Abrams.
Not to be excluded, Sherrod Brown (D-OH) said that "if Stacey Abrams doesn’t win in Georgia, they stole it" while former Vermont Governor and DNC chair Howard Dean told Abrams that she “should not concede” and that the election was "almost certainly stolen."
Another election denier on old Joe's staff, his new Press Secretary, Karin Jean-Pierre tweeted that the Georgia governor's race was stolen (she's yet another 2016 election denier as well).
But that's (say it with me folks) Democrat election denialism, so that doesn't count.
1. The online version changed the title to "Was the 2016 election legitimate? It's now definitely worth asking the question" but Real Clear Politics had the story with the original title.
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