Biden Won't Be Impeached

[Ronson]

https://www.spa.gov.sa/viewfullstory...391943#2391943

Riyadh, Oct 13, 2022, SPA -- An official at the Foreign Ministry in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia stated that the government of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has viewed the statements issued about the Kingdom following the OPEC+ decision announced on October 5, 2022, which have described the decision as the Kingdom taking sides in international conflicts and that it was politically motived against the United States of America.
The Government of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia would first like to express its total rejection of these statements that are not based on facts, and which are based on portraying the OPEC+ decision out of its purely economic context. This decision was taken unanimously by all member states of the OPEC+ group.
The Kingdom affirms that the outcomes of the OPEC+ meetings are adopted through consensus among member states, and that they are not based on the unilateral decision by a single country. These outcomes are based purely on economic considerations that take into account maintaining balance of supply and demand in the oil markets, as well as aim to limit volatility that does not serve the interests of consumers and producers, as has been always the case within OPEC +.
The OPEC+ group makes its decisions independently in accordance with established independent practices followed by the international organizations.
The Government of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia would also like to clarify that based on its belief in the importance of dialogue and exchange of views with its allies and partners outside the OPEC + group regarding the situation in the oil markets, the Government of the Kingdom clarified through its continuous consultation with the US Administration that all economic analyses indicate that postponing the OPEC+ decision for a month, according to what has been suggested, would have had negative economic consequences.
The Government of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia affirms that any attempts to distort the facts about the Kingdom’s position regarding the crisis in Ukraine are unfortunate, and will not change the Kingdom’s principled position, including its vote to support UN resolutions regarding the Russian-Ukrainian crisis, based on the Kingdom’s position on the importance for all countries to adhere to the United Nations Charter, principles of international law, and the Kingdom's rejection of any infringement on the sovereignty of countries over their territories.
The Kingdom stresses that while it strives to preserve the strength of its relations with all friendly countries, it affirms its rejection of any dictates, actions, or efforts to distort its noble objectives to protect the global economy from oil market volatility.
Resolving economic challenges requires the establishment of a non-politicized constructive dialogue, and to wisely and rationally consider what serves the interests of all countries.
The Kingdom affirms that it view its relationship with the United States of America as a strategic one that serves the common interests of both countries. The Kingdom also stresses the importance of building on the solid pillars upon which the Saudi-US relationship had stood over the past eight decades. These pillars include mutual respect, enhancing common interests, actively contributing to preserve regional and international peace and security, countering terrorism and extremism, and achieving prosperity for the peoples of the region.
--SPA

Highlighted section is the key. Will Biden, who is now threatening to punish Riyadh, be impeached for "quid pro quo"? OPEC+ didn't wait until after the elections so now Democrats are hopping mad.

Can you imagine Impeachment #3 if Trump did this?

[seanD]

I'm guessing the claims from the Biden admin will be that Saudis are lying and dismiss it as Russian misinformation.

Also, though we know the Dems will completely ignore or dismiss it, the Reps, especially the warhawks, seem to be on board with the anti-OPEC sentiment, so I'm guessing they'll likely be less inclined not to take Biden's side. To the populist Reps, it'll be a different story, but their voices are usually ignored.

[Ronson]

I'm guessing the claims from the Biden admin will be that Saudis are lying and dismiss it as Russian misinformation.

I'm not sure they can dismiss it now because they essentially confirmed it by saying the admin's position has always been about Russia. If they didn't ask for the postponement then they should have addressed that specifically. But the Biden Clown show is capable of anything.

Also, though we know the Dems will completely ignore or dismiss it, the Reps, especially the warhawks, seem to be on board with the anti-OPEC sentiment, so I'm guessing they'll likely be less inclined not to take Biden's side. To the populist Reps, it'll be a different story, but their voices are usually ignored.

I've noticed that NBC and CNBC have already reported on it. Of course, from a more sympathetic angle.

[CivilDiscourse]

I'm not sure they can dismiss it now because they essentially confirmed it by saying the admin's position has always been about Russia. If they didn't ask for the postponement then they should have addressed that specifically. But the Biden Clown show is capable of anything.



I've noticed that NBC and CNBC have already reported on it. Of course, from a more sympathetic angle.

"I'm saying, when the democrat president does it, it isn't illegal"

[Sparko]

Add that to Biden flagrantly buying votes with taxpayer's money (Student loan payoffs).

[seanD]

Add that to Biden flagrantly buying votes with taxpayer's money (Student loan payoffs).

And depleting our emergency oil reserves (and apparently selling it to China) also for political reasons.

[Mountain Man]

Of course Joe won't be impeached for two reasons: 1) Republicans don't have the backbone for it; and 2) They're not actually unhappy with Joe in the Oval Office. The Republican party in general put up more resistance to President Trump than they have to the current White House occupant.

[rogue06]

https://www.spa.gov.sa/viewfullstory...391943#2391943

Riyadh, Oct 13, 2022, SPA -- An official at the Foreign Ministry in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia stated that the government of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has viewed the statements issued about the Kingdom following the OPEC+ decision announced on October 5, 2022, which have described the decision as the Kingdom taking sides in international conflicts and that it was politically motived against the United States of America.
The Government of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia would first like to express its total rejection of these statements that are not based on facts, and which are based on portraying the OPEC+ decision out of its purely economic context. This decision was taken unanimously by all member states of the OPEC+ group.
The Kingdom affirms that the outcomes of the OPEC+ meetings are adopted through consensus among member states, and that they are not based on the unilateral decision by a single country. These outcomes are based purely on economic considerations that take into account maintaining balance of supply and demand in the oil markets, as well as aim to limit volatility that does not serve the interests of consumers and producers, as has been always the case within OPEC +.
The OPEC+ group makes its decisions independently in accordance with established independent practices followed by the international organizations.
The Government of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia would also like to clarify that based on its belief in the importance of dialogue and exchange of views with its allies and partners outside the OPEC + group regarding the situation in the oil markets, the Government of the Kingdom clarified through its continuous consultation with the US Administration that all economic analyses indicate that postponing the OPEC+ decision for a month, according to what has been suggested, would have had negative economic consequences.
The Government of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia affirms that any attempts to distort the facts about the Kingdom’s position regarding the crisis in Ukraine are unfortunate, and will not change the Kingdom’s principled position, including its vote to support UN resolutions regarding the Russian-Ukrainian crisis, based on the Kingdom’s position on the importance for all countries to adhere to the United Nations Charter, principles of international law, and the Kingdom's rejection of any infringement on the sovereignty of countries over their territories.
The Kingdom stresses that while it strives to preserve the strength of its relations with all friendly countries, it affirms its rejection of any dictates, actions, or efforts to distort its noble objectives to protect the global economy from oil market volatility.
Resolving economic challenges requires the establishment of a non-politicized constructive dialogue, and to wisely and rationally consider what serves the interests of all countries.
The Kingdom affirms that it view its relationship with the United States of America as a strategic one that serves the common interests of both countries. The Kingdom also stresses the importance of building on the solid pillars upon which the Saudi-US relationship had stood over the past eight decades. These pillars include mutual respect, enhancing common interests, actively contributing to preserve regional and international peace and security, countering terrorism and extremism, and achieving prosperity for the peoples of the region.
--SPA

Highlighted section is the key. Will Biden, who is now threatening to punish Riyadh, be impeached for "quid pro quo"? OPEC+ didn't wait until after the elections so now Democrats are hopping mad.

Can you imagine Impeachment #3 if Trump did this?

B-bu But O. M. B.!

[Ronson]

Although never even tied together, Trump was accused of withholding $400 in Ukraine aid unless Zelensky investigated the Biden-Burisma conneciton. The phone call "evidence" was examined and it still couldn't be proven.

Here, the Saudis reveal Biden asked them to refrain from a decision until after our election, and now Biden threatens retaliation because they didn't. And Biden hasn't even denied the allegation. Amazing double standard.

Ooops $400 MILLION. Not $400 dollars. Although soon, inflation will make the two meet in value.

[rogue06]

Although never even tied together, Trump was accused of withholding $400 in Ukraine aid unless Zelensky investigated the Biden-Burisma conneciton. The phone call "evidence" was examined and it still couldn't be proven.

Here, the Saudis reveal Biden asked them to refrain from a decision until after our election, and now Biden threatens retaliation because they didn't. And Biden hasn't even denied the allegation. Amazing double standard.

See post #8 immediately above.

[CivilDiscourse]

As always usual suspects are silent. It seems ignore it and it'll go away is the liberal value.

[Starlight]

It seems clear the awfuls in Saudi Arabia believe they have the Republican party wrapped around their finger, so are trying to bias the outcome of the US election so their puppets can be in power. On the plus side, at least this time they aren't flying planes into buildings like 9/11 or dismembering journalists like Khashoggi.

But it does make you wonder what the US can do in general to defend itself against foreign attacks on its elections like this.

In the 1970s, the oil producing nations decided to restrict the flow of oil to the West and caused a major crisis in Western economies as a result. America's response to that was to work to get Saudi Arabia as an ally, with the Saudi's agreeing to not restrict the flow of oil to the West in exchange almost anything it wanted from the US. The Saudi's abused that freedom, funding terrorism around the world, including having a major role in 9/11, and the US was forced to ignore their actions because the US was so dependent on Saudi's oil production. The Obama administration had sensibly decided that the US's dependency on the Saudi's was a danger to US national interests, and so considered possible alternative nations that could be brought in to take the Saudi's place as a key oil supplier, and the Obama administration chose Iran (there aren't many possible choices of nations with huge oil reserves, the main other option is Venezuela). Unfortunately Trump destroyed that budding alliance simply because he hated Obama and he couldn't stand to let an achievement of Obama go undestroyed. This put the US back into a position of sole dependence on the untrustworthy Saudis. And now, unsurprisingly, the Saudis are once again abusing the power that the relationship gives them.

The US really needs to reassess its relationship with Saudi Arabia. If the US had a better relationship with either Iran or Venezuela or both, the Saudis would not be able to hold the US to ransom like this. The US makes itself vulnerable to the whims of the crazies in Saudi Arabia as long as it remains the sole one of those 3 nations that that the US maintains a neutral-to-positive relationship with. By picking one or both of Iran or Venezuela to be a bit more friendly to, the US could guarantee a world oil supply from multiple sources meaning no single country could act to hurt it by cutting oil production. In this way, the damage to US national security that Trump did by sabotaging the relationship with Iran for the sake of it, is becoming apparent.

[Sparko]

It seems clear the awfuls in Saudi Arabia believe they have the Republican party wrapped around their finger, so are trying to bias the outcome of the US election so their puppets can be in power. On the plus side, at least this time they aren't flying planes into buildings like 9/11 or dismembering journalists like Khashoggi.

But it does make you wonder what the US can do in general to defend itself against foreign attacks on its elections like this.

In the 1970s, the oil producing nations decided to restrict the flow of oil to the West and caused a major crisis in Western economies as a result. America's response to that was to work to get Saudi Arabia as an ally, with the Saudi's agreeing to not restrict the flow of oil to the West in exchange almost anything it wanted from the US. The Saudi's abused that freedom, funding terrorism around the world, including having a major role in 9/11, and the US was forced to ignore their actions because the US was so dependent on Saudi's oil production. The Obama administration had sensibly decided that the US's dependency on the Saudi's was a danger to US national interests, and so considered possible alternative nations that could be brought in to take the Saudi's place as a key oil supplier, and the Obama administration chose Iran (there aren't many possible choices of nations with huge oil reserves, the main other option is Venezuela). Unfortunately Trump destroyed that budding alliance simply because he hated Obama and he couldn't stand to let an achievement of Obama go undestroyed. This put the US back into a position of sole dependence on the untrustworthy Saudis. And now, unsurprisingly, the Saudis are once again abusing the power that the relationship gives them.

The US really needs to reassess its relationship with Saudi Arabia. If the US had a better relationship with either Iran or Venezuela or both, the Saudis would not be able to hold the US to ransom like this. The US makes itself vulnerable to the whims of the crazies in Saudi Arabia as long as it remains the sole one of those 3 nations that that the US maintains a neutral-to-positive relationship with. By picking one or both of Iran or Venezuela to be a bit more friendly to, the US could guarantee a world oil supply from multiple sources meaning no single country could act to hurt it by cutting oil production. In this way, the damage to US national security that Trump did by sabotaging the relationship with Iran for the sake of it, is becoming apparent.

Except the Republicans want to increase US oil production so that we are not dependent on foreign oil at all, which would mean OPEC and Saudi Arabia has no power over us at all. So your theory makes no sense. The only ones that are making us dependent on OPEC are the Democrats.

[CivilDiscourse]

It seems clear the awfuls in Saudi Arabia believe they have the Republican party wrapped around their finger, so are trying to bias the outcome of the US election so their puppets can be in power. On the plus side, at least this time they aren't flying planes into buildings like 9/11 or dismembering journalists like Khashoggi.

But it does make you wonder what the US can do in general to defend itself against foreign attacks on its elections like this.

In the 1970s, the oil producing nations decided to restrict the flow of oil to the West and caused a major crisis in Western economies as a result. America's response to that was to work to get Saudi Arabia as an ally, with the Saudi's agreeing to not restrict the flow of oil to the West in exchange almost anything it wanted from the US. The Saudi's abused that freedom, funding terrorism around the world, including having a major role in 9/11, and the US was forced to ignore their actions because the US was so dependent on Saudi's oil production. The Obama administration had sensibly decided that the US's dependency on the Saudi's was a danger to US national interests, and so considered possible alternative nations that could be brought in to take the Saudi's place as a key oil supplier, and the Obama administration chose Iran (there aren't many possible choices of nations with huge oil reserves, the main other option is Venezuela). Unfortunately Trump destroyed that budding alliance simply because he hated Obama and he couldn't stand to let an achievement of Obama go undestroyed. This put the US back into a position of sole dependence on the untrustworthy Saudis. And now, unsurprisingly, the Saudis are once again abusing the power that the relationship gives them.

The US really needs to reassess its relationship with Saudi Arabia. If the US had a better relationship with either Iran or Venezuela or both, the Saudis would not be able to hold the US to ransom like this. The US makes itself vulnerable to the whims of the crazies in Saudi Arabia as long as it remains the sole one of those 3 nations that that the US maintains a neutral-to-positive relationship with. By picking one or both of Iran or Venezuela to be a bit more friendly to, the US could guarantee a world oil supply from multiple sources meaning no single country could act to hurt it by cutting oil production. In this way, the damage to US national security that Trump did by sabotaging the relationship with Iran for the sake of it, is becoming apparent.

That is a nice rant, but it doesn't really address the actual issue, Biden trying to influence the election by asking a foreign country to help him out.

[rogue06]

It seems clear the awfuls in Saudi Arabia believe they have the Republican party wrapped around their finger, so are trying to bias the outcome of the US election so their puppets can be in power.

I would not be in the least surprised if that isn't exactly what the Saudis are hoping for, particularly after seeing first hand a quid quo pro offer from old Joe. I too would start to think that is how things worked here.