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Yellin: OPEC cutting oil production bad for the world economy
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Yeah, isn't that our supposed green goal? To put OPEC out of business altogether and eliminate the need for fossil fuels?
I actually think OPEC is doing the exact wrong thing. By cutting oil production and raising prices, they are inadvertently encouraging people to find ways to be independent of them. What they should be doing is flooding the market with cheap oil so that people are content to drive their gas guzzlers and remain dependent on OPEC. Cheap OPEC oil would mean that it would be too expensive for the US to up our own oil production too. But right now, the more OPEC cuts back and the more expensive foreign oil gets, the more pressure is put on Biden to relax the reigns on domestic oil production and the more profitable domestic oil production becomes.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYeah, isn't that our supposed green goal? To put OPEC out of business altogether and eliminate the need for fossil fuels?
I actually think OPEC is doing the exact wrong thing. By cutting oil production and raising prices, they are inadvertently encouraging people to find ways to be independent of them. What they should be doing is flooding the market with cheap oil so that people are content to drive their gas guzzlers and remain dependent on OPEC. Cheap OPEC oil would mean that it would be too expensive for the US to up our own oil production too. But right now, the more OPEC cuts back and the more expensive foreign oil gets, the more pressure is put on Biden to relax the reigns on domestic oil production and the more profitable domestic oil production becomes.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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And as he goes around hat in hand and on bended knee begging the Saudis and countries that are openly hostile to us to produce more oil, it looks like he's about to cut production here in the U.S. even more
Not only did old Joe attack the oil industry -- moments before begging for their help as well -- he also accused Mom and Pop convenience stores of price gouging when in fact they often make no profit on gas, hoping to use it as loss leader to get people to stop and also pick up an over-priced drink and munchies.
On a final note, basically when we tell OPEC to produce more oil we are asking them to cause their countries to suffer in order that we won't. And yet folks act surprise when they don't see this as a good idea.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostShort of putting the proverbial gun to his head, I don't see old Joe changing on this. After all, this was supposed to be what makes him a historic president and not the literal placeholder that he was elected as.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
Well after November, hopefully he won't be the one deciding if Republicans take the house.
Do what you're told and the MSM and Democrats will continue to run interference for you (I don't know if ABC or PBS ever even mentioned it, and if he wants such stories to continue to be spiked he better be a good little codger). It's stuff like that which allows Peppermint Patty (Psaki) to go on NBC's Meet the Press this past Sunday and declare its not a story or else it would be on the front page.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
The fact that they're doing one thing domestically, yet saying things that are completely different to what they're doing domestically, regardless of the explanation one wants to come up with for that, should be pretty alarming.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYeah, isn't that our supposed green goal? To put OPEC out of business altogether and eliminate the need for fossil fuels?
I actually think OPEC is doing the exact wrong thing. By cutting oil production and raising prices, they are inadvertently encouraging people to find ways to be independent of them. What they should be doing is flooding the market with cheap oil so that people are content to drive their gas guzzlers and remain dependent on OPEC. Cheap OPEC oil would mean that it would be too expensive for the US to up our own oil production too. But right now, the more OPEC cuts back and the more expensive foreign oil gets, the more pressure is put on Biden to relax the reigns on domestic oil production and the more profitable domestic oil production becomes.
My only guess is that OPEC (and the Saudis particularly) want to hurt Biden and chase him out of office, and especially hurt the midterm elections. They're willing to lose some profitability to achieve this, like when they flooded the market to chase off US shale production.
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Originally posted by Ronson View Post
Agree completely. The last thing they should want to do is give more argument to the greenies to get off of oil. Plus, OPEC learned long ago that rising oil prices hurts their profits, and they are aiding this right now.
My only guess is that OPEC (and the Saudis particularly) want to hurt Biden and chase him out of office, and especially hurt the midterm elections. They're willing to lose some profitability to achieve this, like when they flooded the market to chase off US shale production.
But I still haven't figured out if the climate change cultists in Biden's cabinet (who I believe are the ones running things) wanted this to happen or not, as it does in fact serve their purpose. It's a very perplexing administration, full of unpredictable and contradictory actions, thus it's very hard to parse what's going on.
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Originally posted by seanD View Post
That actually sounds quite plausible as to the motives of OPEC.
But I still haven't figured out if the climate change cultists in Biden's cabinet (who I believe are the ones running things) wanted this to happen or not, as it does in fact serve their purpose. It's a very perplexing administration, full of unpredictable and contradictory actions, thus it's very hard to parse what's going on.tofor the country.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostC'monman! Here's the deal. We finally got the "professionals" back in charge. These are the "adults" in charge who know what they're doing unlike anyone in the previous Administration. I mean, can't you tell by all the great things they've accomplished? All the things that they've donetofor the country.
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Originally posted by seanD View Post
One thing Trump for sure was consistent about was his hostility to the climate change cult and their "green" agenda. So the Biden voters definitely got what they elected.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
Endless chaos?
Are they intentionally trying to create economic chaos -- a type of order out of chaos situation (i.e. we engineer the chaos and then engineer the solution) -- or are they like blind devotees to a cult and think their actions are for the greater good, consequences be damned? The former seems a bit too conspiratorial and requires them to be more competent than I believe they are.
OTOH, things like the border crisis they've created (both here and in the EU) definitely looks like they're intentionally trying to create economic and societal chaos. The things that the Soros funded DAs are doing also looks intentional. DoJ targeting conservatives we know is intetional.
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Okay, OPEC can't just endlessly flood the market. The Saudi's sure can't - they are getting to the end of their run.
The timing is probably to stick it to Biden. That isn't the purpose, though.
It's more likely to prevent the price cap by making Russian oil more profitable if a cap is initiated because Russian oil would still be cheaper and the cap would have to be above production cost to even stand a chance of working. Or something even more convoluted but if the Saudis can help China get its Russian vassal, that might get Saudi Arabia a partner for when they run out of oil.
In the meantime, it hurts both India and China. So when this fails, the Saudis can claim they were just helping. Not that anyone would believe them.
I wonder if driving up prices helps soak up some of the risk in helping Russia skirt sanctions?
FYI, this might just be short term. The decrease matches Saudi Arabia's projected increase - so they may not cut production at all. I'm leaning toward this as it messes with the US minus all the nastier consequences.
Biden becomes a lame duck in January. There aren't enough Democrat Senate seats up for grabs to give the Republicans the votes to overturn vetoes but they will be able to block everything the Dems try. It depends on how bad the bloodbath is as to whether some Democrat Senators switch parties - I expect there may be a couple. We'll see. Either way, Biden can't do more damage. There's a slim chance the Republicans can clean up some of the mess before 202 4 but that's hard while Biden still has a veto."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
During the Trump administration the average yearly increase in domestic oil production was: 0.5 million barrels per day
During the Biden administration the average yearly increase in domestic oil production is: 0.5 million barrels per day
The US is still energy independent and a net energy exporter. The US is the world's largest producer of oil.
But I've learned from experience that telling you this won't matter because your minds are actually broken and no matter how many times you're corrected you'll just repeat the falsehoods. I'm starting to think right-wingers just have mental illness on this topic. Whatever facts you're shown you'll just return to claiming Biden hAs CriPpLeD tHe dOmEsTiC OiL inDustRy bEcaUsE GrEeN NeW DeAL oR SoMe oThEr LaW tHaT NeVeR pASseD!!!
A big problem is that because the oil is in the US produced by private companies, they are choosing to sell it internationally rather than domestically, for more profit, because of capitalism and the free market. One of the things Biden has been looking at is requiring them to sell domestically, which would force down the prices in the US. But the for-profit oil companies aren't big fans of that and are lobbying against it.Last edited by Starlight; 10-10-2022, 10:48 PM."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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