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Originally posted by Ronson View PostBut it is extremely counterproductive - if not down right dangerous - to publicly humiliate an adversary. Especially one that might be somewhat unhinged and has nuclear capabilities. Just another reason these idiots running the show right now have us on the brink of a nuclear war.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
President Trump did far more to make peace with North Korea than any other recent president. The left mocked him, but his meeting with Kim on N. Korean soil was a significant accomplishment and an historic moment.
Now I'd like to list Biden's accomplishments ...
Inflation? He's pretty good at increasing that. Oh, and he so insulted the Saudi prince so that they are going to throw in with Russia, sticking it to him with a 2 million-per-day OPEC decrease in oil production. Get ready for some huge oil and gasoline prices for election time. And before the Leftoids here start singing about how the prince is a murderer ... we all already know that. But wagging one's finger in his face has repercussions, and why public denunciations (the Left loves so much) is counterproductive to US goals.
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Originally posted by Ronson View Post
Similar to the mockery Trump got when he said he would move the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, or when he warned Germany about becoming too dependent on Russian energy, or when he warned Assad about crossing a real "red line" (unlike Obama's variety). Or making the US energy independent, or securing our southern border, or fast-tracking a vaccine for covid, etc.
Now I'd like to list Biden's accomplishments ...
Inflation? He's pretty good at increasing that. Oh, and he so insulted the Saudi prince so that they are going to throw in with Russia, sticking it to him with a 2 million-per-day OPEC decrease in oil production. Get ready for some huge oil and gasoline prices for election time. And before the Leftoids here start singing about how the prince is a murderer ... we all already know that. But wagging one's finger in his face has repercussions, and why public denunciations (the Left loves so much) is counterproductive to US goals.
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"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostVirtue signaling makes for terrible foreign policy.
All Leftists should take Diplomacy 101 before the entire world is at war.
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
No, I was referring to when he threatened to totally destroy North Korea, in a speech before the UN.
I don't recall that speech (or the comment). At least that prompted Trump to communicate directly with Kim, which was kind of the point of this thread. Instead of continuing any "virtue signaling" about destroying Korea (bad strategy) he went straight to Kim and assured him that he wasn't going to be attacked (good strategy - especially since Kim and his family have always been paranoids).
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostI don't recall that speech (or the comment). At least that prompted Trump to communicate directly with Kim, which was kind of the point of this thread. Instead of continuing any "virtue signaling" about destroying Korea (bad strategy) he went straight to Kim and assured him that he wasn't going to be attacked (good strategy - especially since Kim and his family have always been paranoids).
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
Sure, appeasement tends to work in the short run. Kim got what he wanted (to be treated as a major player on the world stage, and to be able to keep developing his weapon systems) and that kept him happy for a while.
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Originally posted by Ronson View Post
The Left is so detached from reality that it probably never occurred to Biden that his public denunciation and his snub were connected. That he shouldn't make a spectacle of himself saying "Bad! Bad! Bad prince!" and then race over to ask him for a favor.
All Leftists should take Diplomacy 101 before the entire world is at war.
1. the same trip, where arriving at Israel, he stumbled off Air Force One asking, "What am I doing now?," had to be steered onto the red carpet and then accidentally waxed lyrical about the "honor" of the Holocaust.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
I don't think he has ever stopped developing weapons.
No nuke tests. No missile launches over South Korea, or Japan, or toward Guam.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThat cannot be confirmed but we do know he stopped testing them.
No nuke tests. No missile launches over South Korea, or Japan, or toward Guam.
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
Yeah, when developing weapons, you don't necessarily test them continuously. You run a few tests, then take some time to analyze the data, make changes to the design (or create a new design from scratch), manufacture some new test weapons, and then run more tests. The fact that North Korea went a few years without conducting any tests (that we know about) isn't really special.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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