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  • #16
    Originally posted by Ronson View Post

    I explained the basis. Trump treated Kim like Ford treated Brezhnev, or Reagan treated Gorbachev: which is the leader of an adversarial country. No warlike rhetoric from afar like warmongers like to do, but up close and personal so they can communicate without all the virtue signaling. It isn't meant to make them friends, but to cool down hostilities so both sides aren't sitting on hair triggers while talking smack. I don't expect you to understand because the Military Industrial Complex has too many Americans brainwashed into thinking we must always be confronting someone somewhere.
    There is an extreme unbelievable difference from Kim and Brezhnev or Gorbachev. There is absolutely no comparison concerning unreal delusions concerning Kim and North Korea. Trump was equally deluded if he believed his efforts to change Kim.

    Russia was not considered a rogue nation a 'state sponsor of terrorism,' as North Korea was and still is classified, and we had diplomatic relations with Russia,
    Last edited by shunyadragon; 10-04-2022, 09:25 PM.
    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

    Frank

    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      Trump's overtures to North Korea were also part of his broader international policy to economically and politically isolate China. By befriending Kim, it removed one of the clubs Xi was using to threaten the rest of the world and keep other nations off balance. Trump took that away, and it changed the balance of the world dramatically.
      The reality is this a delusion and nothing has changed. China still funds and supports North Korea. Our relationship with China has not changed still edgy and problematic.
      Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
      Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
      But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

      go with the flow the river knows . . .

      Frank

      I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post

        There is an extreme unbelievable difference from Kim and Brezhnev or Gorbachev. There is absolutely no comparison concerning unreal delusions concerning Kim and North Korea. Trump was equally deluded if he believed his efforts to change Kim.
        Leftists with TDS are the ones who are deluded. Just who do you think put North Korea back on the list of terrorist nations? Trump placed more sanctions on North Korea than previous administrations going back to Bush Sr. He was able to speak softly and carry a big stick, which is quite the opposite of Leftists and Neocons, who love to rattle sabers for no real gains but big risks.

        Russia was not considered a rogue nation a 'state sponsor of terrorism,'
        The Soviet Union was most certainly considered a sponsor of terrorism.

        as North Korea was and still is classified, and we had diplomatic relations with Russia,
        You are completely brainwashed.
        "You should just assume going forward that if I am ever wrong it is a typo" - Backup
        "
        Reality simply does not change based upon consensus or desire." - rogue

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Ronson View Post

          Leftists with TDS are the ones who are deluded. Just who do you think put North Korea back on the list of terrorist nations? Trump placed more sanctions on North Korea than previous administrations going back to Bush Sr. He was able to speak softly and carry a big stick, which is quite the opposite of Leftists and Neocons, who love to rattle sabers for no real gains but big risks.
          Well. . . .ah, this contradicts your previous assertion that Trump made every effort to improve relations with North Korea.



          The Soviet Union was most certainly considered a sponsor of terrorism.
          The Soviet Union nor during previous administrations is not presently considered a State sponsor of Terrorism, though Biden is urged to make that judgement. He is hesitant to do this, because it effects diplomatic relations and negotiations over ending the war in Ukraine.

          You are completely brainwashed.[/QUOTE]

          Your Trumpism brain is no brain at all.
          Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
          Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
          But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

          go with the flow the river knows . . .

          Frank

          I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post

            The reality is this a delusion and nothing has changed. China still funds and supports North Korea. Our relationship with China has not changed still edgy and problematic.
            Of course things are back to the way they were thanks to Joe "10% for the big guy" Biden.
            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
            Than a fool in the eyes of God


            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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            • #21
              Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post

              Unbelievable delusions of the reality of Kim and North Korea.
              Keep in mind that this was exactly what was said about Trump "meddling" in the Middle East. All the "experts" said that striking any sort of peace deal there was impossible and that Trump will make it worse.

              And yet, here we are with treaties between Israel and Bahrain, UAE, Sudan and Morocco. Go figure.

              And the Saudis looked to be on the verge until old Joe stumbled into the White House and did his level best to scuttle the agreements by delaying and canceling parts that we had agreed to.

              I'm always still in trouble again

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                Of course things are back to the way they were thanks to Joe "10% for the big guy" Biden.
                Things never did change, as referenced Trump increased sanctions on North Korea, and relationships between China and Korea never changed.
                Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                go with the flow the river knows . . .

                Frank

                I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post

                  Things never did change, as referenced Trump increased sanctions on North Korea,
                  And yet Kim behaved himself while Trump was in office. THERE'S the difference.
                  "You should just assume going forward that if I am ever wrong it is a typo" - Backup
                  "
                  Reality simply does not change based upon consensus or desire." - rogue

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Ronson View Post

                    And yet Kim behaved himself while Trump was in office. THERE'S the difference.
                    There is no evidence of this since North Korea continued their development of advanced missile systems. The pause can be easily explained that Korea was developing the advanced missile they fired over Japan. North Korea never has made any statements nor overtures to Trump nor Biden to indicate they have changed their isolationist militerist goals. It still stands as a fact the Trump increased the sanctions of North Korea, which is in contradiction to your previous claims.
                    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                    go with the flow the river knows . . .

                    Frank

                    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

                    Comment


                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Ronson View Post

                      And yet Kim behaved himself while Trump was in office. THERE'S the difference.
                      Huh, did Trump leave office in 2019?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                        And yet Kim behaved himself while Trump was in office. THERE'S the difference.
                        The level of anti-American internal propaganda was sharply curtailed (typically they claimed things like American soldiers are cannibals with a hankering for North Korean flesh), and I have not seen any indication that has returned to pre-summit levels. We also recovered the remains of several of our people killed during the Korean War.

                        Had Trump won reelection there is no telling what could have happened. I doubt he could have got them to change much but getting them to be far less of a loose cannon and not lobbing missiles over Japan was not out of the realm of reason.

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          The level of anti-American internal propaganda was sharply curtailed (typically they claimed things like American soldiers are cannibals with a hankering for North Korean flesh), and I have not seen any indication that has returned to pre-summit levels. We also recovered the remains of several of our people killed during the Korean War.

                          Had Trump won reelection there is no telling what could have happened. I doubt he could have got them to change much but getting them to be far less of a loose cannon and not lobbing missiles over Japan was not out of the realm of reason.
                          Arguing from ignorance. There is no indication that Kim will ever change his basic character and that of North Korea.

                          Staged Trumpism is alive and well reaching for straws to justify Trump in any way possible.
                          Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                          Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                          But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                          go with the flow the river knows . . .

                          Frank

                          I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post

                            Arguing from ignorance. There is no indication that Kim will ever change his basic character and that of North Korea.

                            Staged Trumpism is alive and well reaching for straws to justify Trump in any way possible.
                            Whatever you did a short while ago that brought about a return to lucidity for a couple of days has left no trace as you are back to incoherent mutterings that rarely relate to the post you're "responding" to.

                            I'm always still in trouble again

                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              The level of anti-American internal propaganda was sharply curtailed (typically they claimed things like American soldiers are cannibals with a hankering for North Korean flesh), and I have not seen any indication that has returned to pre-summit levels. We also recovered the remains of several of our people killed during the Korean War.

                              Had Trump won reelection there is no telling what could have happened. I doubt he could have got them to change much but getting them to be far less of a loose cannon and not lobbing missiles over Japan was not out of the realm of reason.
                              President Trump did far more to make peace with North Korea than any other recent president. The left mocked him, but his meeting with Kim on N. Korean soil was a significant accomplishment and an historic moment.
                              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                              Than a fool in the eyes of God


                              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                                Whatever you did a short while ago that brought about a return to lucidity for a couple of days has left no trace as you are back to incoherent mutterings that rarely relate to the post you're "responding" to.
                                I am responding to ALL the Trumpist apologists including you, because you all provide the same pro-Trump line without any consideration to the reality of Kim's North Korea.

                                You are part of the Trumpist Turkey flock.
                                Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                                Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                                But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                                go with the flow the river knows . . .

                                Frank

                                I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

                                Comment

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