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  • #16
    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Sorry, but this sounds suspiciously like the "rank and file" nonsense people use to defend the FBI. If the problem is the unions and not the teachers, then why aren't the "rank and file" teachers calling out the unions and demanding change? Instead, they're all going right along with it and arrogantly telling parents to mind their business, despite the fact that educating our children is a parent's business!
    Because the teacher unions have a tighter grip on their dues paying members than most other 'trades', and if you rebel, you can get blacklisted from teaching.
    School boards are often run by teacher union loyalists, but that's changing across the country.

    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      Once again we are treated to a whole lot of empty statements presented as fact from you. Not a whit of supporting evidence to validate your declarations, just repeating them again again confusing repetition for evidence.

      You really need to break this habit of yours.
      Yeah, that's your job not his.


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      • #18
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        Maybe schools have radically changed since I attended one but there is no situation in English Lit where a lesson plan that includes crap like

        Racism is a systemic issue. If you look the other way or deny that these systems exist, you are part of the problem. You can know in your heart that you don’t hate anyone but still contribute to their oppression.


        And

        No individual is personally responsible for what white people have done or the historical decisions of the American government, but you are responsible for whether you are currently upholding the systems that elevate white people over people of color.


        should be included.
        How exactly would they be inappropriate if the lesson plan involves a novel that has a character experiencing racism in the US?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post

          Yeah, that's your job not his.


          Breaking other peoples habits can be hard work.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

            Breaking other peoples habits can be hard work.
            Not just hard work, it's impossible unless they are willing to break the habit and are accepting help.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
              How exactly would they be inappropriate if the lesson plan involves a novel that has a character experiencing racism in the US?
              There can be quite a difference between "a character experiencing racism" and "systematic racism".
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
                How exactly would they be inappropriate if the lesson plan involves a novel that has a character experiencing racism in the US?
                So if they're reading a biography on Stephen Hawking the teacher should shift into teaching advanced theoretical physics. Or one on Jesse Owens ought to end up outside on the track with the students doing sprints as they read.

                Is that the argument you're trying to make?

                This was a lesson plan on systematic racism that a teacher felt it necessary to shoehorn into an English class.

                I'm always still in trouble again

                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                  So if they're reading a biography on Stephen Hawking the teacher should shift into teaching advanced theoretical physics. Or one on Jesse Owens ought to end up outside on the track with the students doing sprints as they read.

                  Is that the argument you're trying to make?

                  This was a lesson plan on systematic racism that a teacher felt it necessary to shoehorn into an English class.
                  To make things worse, our kids are not learning English!
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                    To make things worse, our kids are not learning English!
                    It would be interesting to see how many of her sophomore students can read and write at even a 9th grade level.

                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                      It would be interesting to see how many of her sophomore students can read and write at even a 9th grade level.
                      Not to mention cursing!


                      (er... I mean cursive!)
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                        There can be quite a difference between "a character experiencing racism" and "systematic racism".
                        Sure, but a character experiencing the former is likely to experience the latter.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          So if they're reading a biography on Stephen Hawking the teacher should shift into teaching advanced theoretical physics. Or one on Jesse Owens ought to end up outside on the track with the students doing sprints as they read.

                          Is that the argument you're trying to make?

                          This was a lesson plan on systematic racism that a teacher felt it necessary to shoehorn into an English class.
                          The ideas in the excerpt would certainly be more at home in a social studies class, but at least from when I was in high school I remember topics related to our readings being explored, either through terminology defined or extra reading. A lot of literature requires additional context for modern readers to understand it fully. At worst the lesson was a non-sequitur, in which case no real harm is done regardless.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post

                            Sure, but a character experiencing the former is likely to experience the latter.
                            Not really because the latter doesn't really exist in this country outside of liberal affirmative action policies.
                            "When you're attacking FBI agents because you're under criminal investigation, you're losing"
                            -Trump Press Secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders


                            "So when you actually get the virus, you're going to start producing antibodies against multiple pieces of the virus. So, your antibodies are probably better at that point than the vaccination."
                            - Pfizer Scientist Chris Croce

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post

                              The ideas in the excerpt would certainly be more at home in a social studies class, but at least from when I was in high school I remember topics related to our readings being explored, either through terminology defined or extra reading. A lot of literature requires additional context for modern readers to understand it fully. At worst the lesson was a non-sequitur, in which case no real harm is done regardless.
                              Perhaps you are mixing reading class with English class. The latter is the class where this happened.
                              "When you're attacking FBI agents because you're under criminal investigation, you're losing"
                              -Trump Press Secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders


                              "So when you actually get the virus, you're going to start producing antibodies against multiple pieces of the virus. So, your antibodies are probably better at that point than the vaccination."
                              - Pfizer Scientist Chris Croce

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post

                                Sure, but a character experiencing the former is likely to experience the latter.
                                So this warrants handling this in school, exactly how? Our schools STINK at actual education in math, reading, English, science, geography.... why do we need to add this crap when we can't teach the basics?
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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