Stasi home invasion terrorizes Pro-Life family.

[firstfloor]

By definition a fertilized ovum is life. Human life. What else would you call them unless you need to dehumanize them so as to make it easier to kill them?

The assumption of human superiority is called speciesism. Most people eat chicken eggs. Killing is not your problem.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

By definition a fertilized ovum is life. Human life. What else would you call them unless you need to dehumanize them so as to make it easier to kill them?

That is correct but a fertilized ovum is not a "baby". It only has the potential to develop into a fully formed human infant.

[rogue06]

A fertilized ovum is not a baby. Your lies comfort the ‘pro-life’ terrorists. It is time to stop and think. You have done enough harm already.

By definition a fertilized ovum is life. Human life. What else would you call them unless you need to dehumanize them so as to make it easier to kill them?

[Bill the Cat]

Says the guy whose story doesn't add up.

No, it's not okay to take an alleged perpetrator at his word, even when his story actually adds up. The fact is this guy's got anger issues, and substance-abuse issues besides based on his other advocacy, and rather than dealing with his problems, he spends his time spreading his problems about.

There's zero chance the escort headed toward him with two women in tow provoking an altercation. That means he accosted them. That means he's not sidewalk counseling. He's pushing himself into the faces of women heading in or out of clinics while abusing their escorts telling the lie that they're pro-abortion protestors, as if that was a thing that happens at PP clinics.

Maybe you're imagining women going into that clinic are going to feel more chummy about talking to this sidewalk counselor after he's knocked down a septuagenarian a couple times. And the twelve-year-old, is he a counselor, too? Maybe the younger women would feel more comfortable talking to him.

No, that's not how it works.

Its never that black and white. I have more to say but I'm about to board a plane.

All the more reason not to assault and harass women going into clinics for the primary purpose of acquiring birth control.

PP clinics are composed of the standard waiting room out front with standard examinations rooms in the back, but with a security barrier between them to protect doctors and staff from the whackjobs y'all are defending.

Women come in — mostly by themselves, but sometimes with someone like me because y'all gotta turn a gyne exam into a battleground — sign their name up front and wait to be called. They go in, get pap scrubbed, poked for STDs, and mount up in the stirrups. A few minutes later they exit with three packs of pills and a scrip for three months more before they have to come in and repeat the process.

And they go out and live their lives, protected against unwanted pregnancies and the abortions y'all claim you're looking to prevent by harassing women seeking to prevent them.

Jesus wept.

Again, you are making assumptions too that these few people were not there for an abortion and that the escort was not being an ass to a minor that did not belong to him. I almost got arrested for threatening a volleyball parent that was berating my 12 year old daughter after my repeated warnings to let her alone. My wife grabbed my arm just before I was going to shove that hen down. Any parent not willing and able to physically defend their minor child from harassment isn't worth a pinch of puppy crap in my eyes.

[rogue06]

That's totally valid, too. Likewise with folks who repurpose "holocaust" or "fascist." The latter is especially poignant in the face of recent elections in Italy. This is the hyperbole trap. When folks adopt a real term inappropriately, they run the risk of having no language left for appropriate alarm at the real thing when it arises.

Kinda like what has happened with racist, Islamophobe, sexist, white supremacist etc. When all of your opponents are fascists/racists/commies or whatever it becomes hard for someone to recognize the real thing when it comes along.

With the above in mind...

Source: Is Italy’s Next Prime Minister, Giorgia Meloni, A ‘Fascist’? Hardly

The Italian right is illiberal within the normal illiberal standards of modern Europe.

Giorgia Meloni, as you’ve doubtlessly heard, is the “far-right” next prime minister of Italy. So says virtually every news outlet in the United States. And anyone familiar with the left’s perfunctory use of “ultra-conservative,” “far-right,” “hard-right,” or “semi-fascist” to describe those who take positions to the right of the Democratic Party’s latest platform, should be skeptical.

Then again, trying to decipher European elections through the prism of American politics is a frustrating endeavor. But here is a cataloging, as best as I can pull together, of the claims used to portray Meloni as fascist:

Meloni “bemoans” the chronically low birthrate in Italy and wants to implement pronatalist policies. Now, I think the prospect of technocratic policy curing low birthrates is dubious, but if incentivizing social behavior is now a fascistic endeavor, what does that say about the left’s agenda?

Meloni defends Europe’s “Christian identity.” The American left acts like the mere mention of “Christian” is xenophobic and fascistic. People get furious when this atheist points out that nearly every Christian-majority nation in the world can boast of democratic institutions and high levels of freedom—with a few exceptions of a few places like Russia—while most non-Christian-majority nations can’t. There are thorny ideological and historical reasons for this reality, but reality it is. When Europe embraces a competing faith—be it secular universalism, multiculturalism, communism, fascism—things tend to go poorly.

Meloni opposes gay marriage, which isn’t legally recognized in Italy. (Nor is gay adoption.) Instead, there are same-sex civil unions, which offer gay couples nearly the same legal protections as marriage—laws that Meloni does not propose overturning. Recall that most Democrats, including Barack Obama, held the same position on the matter until 2012. Wrong or right, I don’t recall reporters referring to it as fascistic, or ideologically “far-right wing.” Did the definition of “fascist” change in the past decade?

Meloni opposes abortion and euthanasia. Every story mentions the protection of life as an evident sign of democratic backsliding. It took some digging to ferret out the official right-wing coalition’s position. Outside nebulous language about life, Meloni promises to fund “alternatives to abortion.” Using state power to shut down pregnancy centers (and looking the other way when political terrorists firebomb them) is quite fascisty. Offering pregnant women the means to keep their babies, not so much.

Meloni opposes illegal immigration.

Meloni is a moderate Eurosceptic. (She is also pro-NATO, and supports the West’s military backing of Ukraine and closer relations with Taiwan.)

Meloni is a critic of “wokeness” and the idea of malleable gender identity, the position of basically the entire world until a few minutes ago.

Unlike the Tories of Britain or Likud in Israel, contends The Washington Post, Meloni is a “norm-wrecker.” Anyone who spends five minutes studying postwar Italian governance will probably tell you the country could use some norm-breaking.

Meloni’s party uses a tricolor flame logo that “harks back to an earlier, more extreme political movement formed shortly after Mussolini’s death,” the Post notes. Numerous outlets inform us that the populist right-center coalition, including a party led by former prime minister Silvio Berlusconi, has its “roots” in Italy’s postwar fascist movements. In and of itself, this is meaningless. It’s like saying Democrats have their “roots” in preserving slavery and segregation. Meloni has denounced fascism, contending Italy had “handed fascism over to history for decades now.” The National Alliance shed its fascistic views long ago. In the 2000s, its leader Gianfranco Fini visited Yad Vashem in Israel and called Mussolini’s regime “absolute evil.” Maybe it was all just a decades-long ruse to gain power, but it’s a context worth noting. Many did not.

Meloni refused to vaccinate her daughter, arguing that the probability of someone aged 0–19 dying from Covid-19 is the same as being struck and killed by lightning. (To be fair, it’s probably lower.)

Meloni is, believe it or not, also a fan of Tolkien, and even attended a “Hobbit Camp” in 1993, when she was 16. In Italy, The New York Times explains in a 1,500-word deep dive, “The Lord of the Rings” has “for a half-century been a central pillar upon which descendants of post-Fascism reconstructed a hard-right identity” for people “looking to a traditionalist mythic age for symbols, heroes and creation myths free of Fascist taboos.” Really, a central pillar? I’m not a scholar in Italian politics, but this seems unlikely.

Meloni has defended Viktor Orban, “the orchestrator of Hungary’s autocratic turn.”

Who knows? Perhaps tomorrow Meloni will have the trains running on time and embrace a corporatist economic system like so many “liberal” Eurozone nations. I’m a minarchist at heart, so everyone looks like a fascist to me. More likely, though, the Italian right will be illiberal within the normal illiberal standards of modern Europe. It will be no more illiberal than “democratic” socialist parties, and no less authoritarian than the present German government, which regularly sends police to break down the doors and arrest citizens for saying stupid things on the internet. The difference is that like Orban, the Italian right promises to use state power to blunt the European left’s agendas on social policy and immigration, rather than use state power to enforce them. And that will be enough reason to call them “fascists.”


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[Juvenal]

For every 1 70 plus year old jerk who yells at little kids and gets a boo boo on his pinky ...

Says the guy whose story doesn't add up.

No, it's not okay to take an alleged perpetrator at his word, even when his story actually adds up. The fact is this guy's got anger issues, and substance-abuse issues besides based on his other advocacy, and rather than dealing with his problems, he spends his time spreading his problems about.

There's zero chance the escort headed toward him with two women in tow provoking an altercation. That means he accosted them. That means he's not sidewalk counseling. He's pushing himself into the faces of women heading in or out of clinics while abusing their escorts telling the lie that they're pro-abortion protestors, as if that was a thing that happens at PP clinics.

Maybe you're imagining women going into that clinic are going to feel more chummy about talking to this sidewalk counselor after he's knocked down a septuagenarian a couple times. And the twelve-year-old, is he a counselor, too? Maybe the younger women would feel more comfortable talking to him.

No, that's not how it works.

... there are hundreds of thousands of murdered babies. Abortionists are the real terrorists.

All the more reason not to assault and harass women going into clinics for the primary purpose of acquiring birth control.

PP clinics are composed of the standard waiting room out front with standard examinations rooms in the back, but with a security barrier between them to protect doctors and staff from the whackjobs y'all are defending.

Women come in — mostly by themselves, but sometimes with someone like me because y'all gotta turn a gyne exam into a battleground — sign their name up front and wait to be called. They go in, get pap scrubbed, poked for STDs, and mount up in the stirrups. A few minutes later they exit with three packs of pills and a scrip for three months more before they have to come in and repeat the process.

And they go out and live their lives, protected against unwanted pregnancies and the abortions y'all claim you're looking to prevent by harassing women seeking to prevent them.

Jesus wept.

[Mountain Man]

Houck's attorney says Houck had offered to appear in court voluntarily, but the DOJ rejected the offer and sent their goon squad instead.

https://theologyweb.com/campus/forum...e5#post1417159

[rogue06]

“Apparent corruption” weighs nought. If you must spoil their fine reputation, use something more substantial.

Like their behavior during the Collusion Delusion?

Like their acting as Praetorian Guard for Hunter Biden?

Like their staging of the Whitmer kidnapping plot?

A recent internal review conducted by the FBI found a shocking pattern of abuse in recent years

FBI agents have a long-standing pattern of breaking rules on investigations, and the bureau’s efforts to solve them did not eliminate the problems, according to more than six years of internal reviews obtained by The Washington Times.

The previously undisclosed data covering 2013 to 2019 documents more than 1,600 instances of broken rules on cases involving investigations that do not require warrants, the use of informants and undercover agents, and sensitive matters involving people engaged in politics, government, the news media and religious groups.

And the evidence indicates that things have not improved but only got worse.

Nobody is spoiling their once fine reputation. They're are managing to do that all by themselves.

After the Mid-terms, when the Republicans gain control of the House (and possibly Senate), there will be a number of FBI whistleblowers testifying just how far off the rails they have gone.

[rogue06]

BTW, Italy’s new neo, or post-fascist leader will give you an idea of what to expect from Ron DeSantis. Watch carefully. Take a look at who’s on team-fascist. Be careful with your vote, and remember that the world went to war against fascism not so long ago.

The cool thing about a governor being a candidate is that you can already see how he'll govern and thus don't need a troll to offer up baseless speculations.

[firstfloor]

BTW, Italy’s new neo, or post-fascist leader will give you an idea of what to expect from Ron DeSantis. Watch carefully. Take a look at who’s on team-fascist. Be careful with your vote, and remember that the world went to war against fascism not so long ago.

[firstfloor]

A newborn and a five-month-old are both still babies, you blithering inconsequential moron.

We know.

[NorrinRadd]

We know well enough that you cannot be reasoned with. But by your own account, there is change over time. If the end result is a baby, what was it before it changed into a baby? Pro-life types hold to a peculiar and wrong idea about the development of a fetus. They think the first step is the whole journey - it’s not. As with any journey, a person can decide to change course - completely autonomously, and of their own free will, given to them by God Almighty.

A newborn and a five-month-old are both still babies, you blithering inconsequential moron.

[Bill the Cat]

We know well enough that you cannot be reasoned with. But by your own account, there is change over time. If the end result is a baby, what was it before it changed into a baby? Pro-life types hold to a peculiar and wrong idea about the development of a fetus. They think the first step is the whole journey - it’s not. As with any journey, a person can decide to change course - completely autonomously, and of their own free will, given to them by God Almighty.

Nice job hand-waving a world renown medical facility. To quote Shuny...


Duck, dodge, Bob, and weave

[firstfloor]

Let me repeat my last post to you since you seemed to have missed it:

And yet when we pointed out apparent corruption in the FBI, you claim that is undermining trust in law enforcement. Maybe you think corruption in law enforcement is bad but nobody should point it out lest they undermine trust in law enforcement?

“Apparent corruption” weighs nought. If you must spoil their fine reputation, use something more substantial.

[firstfloor]

Yeah it is.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-l...20to%20anxiety.

The first few months of pregnancy — the first trimester — are marked by rapid changes for both you and your baby.
For you, first trimester physical changes might include breast tenderness, fatigue and nausea. Your emotions might range from excitement to anxiety. For your baby, the first trimester is a time of rapid growth and development. Your baby's brain, spinal cord and other organs begin to form, and your baby's heart begins to beat. Your baby's fingers and toes even begin to take shape.






YOUR lies comfort the pro-abortion butchers



How much blood on your hands is too much, butcher?

We know well enough that you cannot be reasoned with. But by your own account, there is change over time. If the end result is a baby, what was it before it changed into a baby? Pro-life types hold to a peculiar and wrong idea about the development of a fetus. They think the first step is the whole journey - it’s not. As with any journey, a person can decide to change course - completely autonomously, and of their own free will, given to them by God Almighty.