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  • #76
    Originally posted by seer View Post

    You don't agree that social programs DEPEND on monies generated by Capitalism?
    There is a minefield concerning your political and religious views concerning the subject of this thread. Concerning this topic especially your view of social programs of countries of the world like the Nordic countries.

    The bottom line is we do not share views concerning this subject.

    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

    Frank

    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Sparko View Post

      So Russia wasn't really Communist, and Germany wasn't really Socialist.

      Once again the No True Scotsman fallacy rears it's ugly head.
      No True Scotsman is not the standard here. The fact is Communism as defined just does not exist in the real world. I have carefully defined the governments of Russia, Germany and China, and the fact is they were not in reality Communist nor Socialist. In reality Socialist and Communist governments DO NOT exist. The Canal Zone governed by the USA through the Pan Canal Company is the closest you can come.

      The only thing that rears its ugly head is you ignoring the basic facts of the economic and government history of the countries in question.
      Last edited by shunyadragon; 09-22-2022, 02:46 PM.
      Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
      Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
      But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

      go with the flow the river knows . . .

      Frank

      I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

      Comment


      • #78
        Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post

        There is a minefield concerning your political and religious views concerning the subject of this thread. Concerning this topic especially your view of social programs of countries of the world like the Nordic countries.

        The bottom line is we do not share views concerning this subject.
        You mean you don't have biases concerning this or any other subject? And what exactly do you object to concerning my views on social programs in Nordic countries? Be specific please...
        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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        • #79
          Originally posted by seer View Post

          You mean you don't have biases concerning this or any other subject? And what exactly do you object to concerning my views on social programs in Nordic countries? Be specific please...
          Everyone has bias this thread your extreme bias, and yes, we do not agree,
          Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
          Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
          But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

          go with the flow the river knows . . .

          Frank

          I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

          Comment


          • #80
            Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post

            Everyone has bias this thread your extreme bias, and yes, we do not agree,
            You still have not said exactly what we disagree about. Especially concerning social programs in Nordic countries.
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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            • #81
              Originally posted by seer View Post

              You still have not said exactly what we disagree about. Especially concerning social programs in Nordic countries.
              Your association of Capitalism with socialist Countries is not a direct relationship, because many Capitalist countries do not make the efforts that Nordic and some European countries do to provide social service to the people. It is the people who make these decisions and NOT based on the principles of Capitalism. The Nordic countries have made the same commitment before and after they had oil.

              European countries have a long history of issuing semi-postal stamps to support these programs and the USA has very few.
              Last edited by shunyadragon; 09-22-2022, 04:48 PM.
              Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
              Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
              But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

              go with the flow the river knows . . .

              Frank

              I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

              Comment


              • #82
                Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post

                Your association of Capitalism with socialist Countries is not a direct relationship, because many Capitalist countries do not make the efforts that Nordic and some European countries do to provide social service to the people. It is the people who make these decisions and NOT based on the principles of Capitalism. The Nordic countries have made the same commitment before and after they had oil.

                European countries have a long history of issuing semi-postal stamps to support these programs and the USA has very few.
                Are you daft? I never suggested anything that you wrote above. I said the social programs in such countries depend on Capitalism, that's it. I made no other links - where do you get this stuff...
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by seer View Post

                  Are you daft? I never suggested anything that you wrote above. I said the social programs in such countries depend on Capitalism, that's it. I made no other links - where do you get this stuff...
                  Where? Your history.

                  I believe Norway's Oil is state owned therefore socialist not Capitalist.
                  Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equinor

                  • Equinor ASA (formerly Statoil and StatoilHydro) is a Norwegian state-owned multinational energy company headquartered in Stavanger. It is primarily a petroleum company, operating in 36 countries with additional investments in renewable energy. In the 2020 Forbes Global 2000, Equinor was ranked as the 169th-largest public company in the world.

                  © Copyright Original Source

                  Last edited by shunyadragon; 09-22-2022, 07:31 PM.
                  Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                  Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                  But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                  go with the flow the river knows . . .

                  Frank

                  I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

                  Comment


                  • #84
                    Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post

                    Where? Your history.

                    I believe Norway's Oil is state owned therefore socialist not Capitalist.
                    Good grief! They have to SELL the oil! That is Capitalism!
                    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by seer View Post

                      Good grief! They have to SELL the oil! That is Capitalism!
                      NO! State owned companies is by definition socialism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                      There is absolutely nothing in the definition of socialism, state owned industry and commercial companies that negates profit,

                      Simply . . .

                      Source: https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/socialism



                      Socialism - Socialism is a political and economic system wherein property and resources are owned in common or by the state.

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                      Capitalism by definition is privately owned!!!!
                      Last edited by shunyadragon; 09-23-2022, 07:51 AM.
                      Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                      Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                      But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                      go with the flow the river knows . . .

                      Frank

                      I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

                      Comment


                      • #86
                        Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post

                        NO! State owned companies is by definition socialism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                        There is absolutely nothing in the definition of socialism, state owned industry and commercial companies that negates profit,

                        Simply . . .

                        Source: https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/socialism



                        Socialism - Socialism is a political and economic system wherein property and resources are owned in common or by the state.

                        © Copyright Original Source



                        Capitalism by definition is privately owned!!!!
                        When Norway sells its oil on the open market are they using free market principles?
                        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by seer View Post

                          When Norway sells its oil on the open market are they using free market principles?
                          Market principles DO NOT translate to nor define Capitalism. Capitalism is defined as private ownership of industry and commercial businesses..
                          Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                          Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                          But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                          go with the flow the river knows . . .

                          Frank

                          I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

                          Comment


                          • #88
                            Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post

                            Market principles DO NOT translate to nor define Capitalism. Capitalism is defined as private ownership of industry and commercial businesses..
                            What you are talking about is State Capitalism:

                            state capitalism: is an economic system in which the state undertakes business and commercial (i.e. for-profit) economic activity and where the means of production are nationalized as state-owned enterprises (including the processes of capital accumulation, centralizedmanagement and wage labor).

                            state capitalism : an economic system in which private capitalism is modified by a varying degree of government ownership and control.

                            state capitalism a form of capitalism in which the state owns or controls most of the means of production and other capital.
                            Last edited by seer; 09-23-2022, 12:11 PM.
                            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by seer View Post

                              What you are talking about is State Capitalism:
                              In Norway in the state owned enterprise they control ALL not some of the petroleum assets .
                              Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                              Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                              But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                              go with the flow the river knows . . .

                              Frank

                              I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

                              Comment


                              • #90
                                Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post

                                In Norway in the state owned enterprise they control ALL not some of the petroleum assets .
                                Just stop! Or it could be some or all...And not all economic activity in Norway is state controlled.

                                is an economic system in which the state undertakes business and commercial (i.e. for-profit) economic activity and where the means of production are nationalized as state-owned enterprises.
                                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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