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"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Sympathy for her family is of course a natural response.
The hagiographies and eulogies that will drag on, probably for the next few weeks, are another issue.
Watching the news tonight was very interesting, with people expressing the need to be at places associated with her; Windsor Castle, Buckingham Palace, and of course the doleful group outside the gates of Balmoral Castle.
And of course the floral tributes."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Ronson View Post
Don't get me wrong, I don't wish anybody's demise (well, maybe heinous killers), but neither can I mourn for people I don't know and/or don't respect. That goes for entertainers as well as politicians. I mourned for Mother Teresa.
"For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
"Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom
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Sad, but I was sort of expecting it to come soon, with her retreat from her own Jubilee festivities, and going to Balmoral where she's basically remained since. Especially the PM resignation/appointment the other day, which broke from tradition with them coming to Balmoral.
So Charles (yuck) will be King now, I sort of doubt that will last too long. I suspect he will abdicate within a decade to William.
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Didn't she have some great grandkids too? And who is Charles and why do people not like him? Not familiar with the UK royal family.Last edited by Christianbookworm; 09-08-2022, 07:58 PM.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWow, this seems very sudden. I just assumed she would outlive us all. So Charles finally gets his chance to wear the crown. I wonder how it will fit?
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostDidn't she have some great grandkids too?
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"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
It is the state religion - as I understand it, the only western country to actually have one. Normally such things are associated with Islamic nations.
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostAnd who is Charles and why do people not like him? Not familiar with the UK royal family.
Over the last 100 years or so it has been the tradition of the English monarchy to absolutely and completely stay out of politics and let democracy do its thing to the point where the monarch is expected not to express any political opinions whatsoever even in private (the days where the monarchs actually wielded political power being long-gone), but Charles has deviated from this by first privately and then publicly expressing political positions with respect to supporting environmentalist issues, especially action on climate change, and he runs 16 charities related to these and other issues. So it's not impossible that Charles might give speeches with his own political opinions or criticize government actions, which would be something quite new."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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I never saw her in person. She seemed a woman very focused on duty, even if that duty just consisted of waving at the public and going to dinners.
Her death seems to have spawned another round of "should we keep the monarchy?" stories in the media. But frankly, the UK seems to make money from it from tourism, it doesn't cost the rest of the countries anything who have the Queen/King of England on paper as their monarch, and if we got rid of her/him we'd have to then have a new President as head of state which doesn't seem any better just a renaming.
Looking around the world, democracies with a monarch rather than a president seem to be more stable, possibly because the populace understands and agrees that it's unacceptable to have the monarch actually making laws because they're not elected, so the monarch can never seize power because the populace would never tolerate it and so can only be an emergency temporary backstop if there's a major issue with the current democratic government. Whereas an elected President can evoke public support for themselves as leader and their overthrow of the democratic government because they are an elected and often partisan political figure. We've seen wannabe dictators in a lot of countries around the world use the existence of the office of the Presidency to worm their way into dictatorship (e.g. Putin). So there does seem to be increasing evidence that democracies with constitutional monarchies are more stable than democracies with constitutional presidencies."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostI never saw her in person. She seemed a woman very focused on duty, even if that duty just consisted of waving at the public and going to dinners.
Her death seems to have spawned another round of "should we keep the monarchy?" stories in the media. But frankly, the UK seems to make money from it from tourism, it doesn't cost the rest of the countries anything who have the Queen/King of England on paper as their monarch, and if we got rid of her/him we'd have to then have a new President as head of state which doesn't seem any better just a renaming.
What all this means is that, after 70 years of near constancy, the Monarchy is going to start changing hands alot more frequently. The love for the constant monarch, may not survive in the modern world, when it starts changing hands. So, I am uncertain if the "seems to make money" will hold nearly as strongly after yesterday.
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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostNot counting really small countries (e.g. Vatican City or Monaco), there's Denmark/Greenland, Iceland, Greece, and Costa Rica.
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"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostCharles is her oldest son who will be king now. He lacks charisma and was previously married to a very popular wife, Princess Diana, and after their split public opinion supported Diana and disliked Charles. He has also recently been indirectly accused of racism by his son Harry and Harry's wife Meghan. Charles' oldest son William is more charismatic and well-liked so many will view Charles (at 73 years old currently) as a place-holder.
Over the last 100 years or so it has been the tradition of the English monarchy to absolutely and completely stay out of politics and let democracy do its thing to the point where the monarch is expected not to express any political opinions whatsoever even in private (the days where the monarchs actually wielded political power being long-gone), but Charles has deviated from this by first privately and then publicly expressing political positions with respect to supporting environmentalist issues, especially action on climate change, and he runs 16 charities related to these and other issues. So it's not impossible that Charles might give speeches with his own political opinions or criticize government actions, which would be something quite new.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostHarry and Megan have pretty much accused everyone of being a racist AFAICT"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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