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  • Another fake racist incident?

    Recently the Duke's women’s volleyball team went to BYU to play, and where one of Duke's players, Rachel Richardson, who is black, said that she was heckled by a fan who called her the n-word. Richardson’s godmother, Lesa Pamplin (who is running for circuit court judge candidate in Fort Worth, TX), said that she was called that word "every time she served"[1] and was told to "watch her back going to the team bus."

    Naturally, this garnered a great deal of national attention, with Richardson being interviewed about it by ESPN.

    And of course BYU leapt into action.

    The unidentified man, who isn't a student there but was sitting in student seating, was escorted out by police and has been banned from ever setting foot on the campus again for life.

    An entire section of fan seating was also removed.

    Only one problem.

    There is no evidence anything happened.

    After reviewing footage of the game along with the people around where the alleged incident took place, BYU Police Lt. George Besendorfer told the Salt Lake Tribute that "When we watched the video, we did not observe that behavior from him [the unnamed student]."

    Another officer who also reviewed the footage confirmed this, stating that, "There was nothing seen on the game film that led me to believe" that the man removed and banned "was the person who was making comments to the player who complained about being called the N-word."

    The fact is that nobody aside from Richardson and her godmother ever heard any slurs or threats.

    A number of students were interviewed by The Cougar Chronicle, a student newspaper operated independently of the university, and reported that they don't hear any racial epilates or anyone acting in a derogatory way towards Richardson.

    So now we have someone who was not allowed to defend himself being summarily punished for an act that he did not do. And even though BYU associate athletics director Jon McBride told The Salt Lake Tribune that "we have been unable to find any evidence of that person using slurs in the match," the punishment stands.

    Meanwhile, all the news outlets that hyped the story have suddenly lost all interest in it now that the other shoe has dropped. They have not reported on how the accusation has fallen apart and I doubt you can expect any retractions.

    I hope he sues the snot out of the moral cowards at BYU. It's not just him who was unfairly punished, BYU fans had their seating reduced as a result of what looks like another race hoax.

    And I hope Duke investigates this and if they found that Richardson made up the story, not just kick her off the team but out of the school.




    1. it is merely a coincidence that Pamplin, who was elected to her position, relies heavily on advocating for racial reform in her campaign.
    Last edited by rogue06; 09-04-2022, 09:53 AM.

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  • #2
    Not likely faked.


    "I believe that meeting anger with anger, it just starts a cycle of more anger," Richardson said. "As a young black woman in America. I know I don't have the privilege of reacting all the time or else it paints that face of, 'Oh, you're just another angry black woman.' And, you know, my black male counterparts, they also don't have that privilege or else it's just, 'Oh, that's just, like, an aggressive angry black man.'"
    “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
    “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
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    • #3
      Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
      Not likely faked.


      For someone in the stands -- even those close to the court (which have now been removed) -- to shout loud enough for someone on the court to clearly hear them means that everyone else around would have heard it. That nobody except her godmother, who also supposedly heard much more than that, heard anything is sufficient reason to suspect the veracity of the claim.

      It reminds me how, after a vote on Obamacare, the late Rep. John Lewis (D-GA) was surrounded by camera crews and protestors when he with a small group of Democrats left the Capitol building.

      He swears up and down that the protestors screamed the n-word in his face repeatedly as well as spit in his face.

      Only one problem.

      Remember those camera crews I mentioned? They literally encircled Lewis and his group at very close range. A bunch of them.

      And not a single one of them picked up anything that even remotely sounded like the n-word. Even once. And you know they looked hard for it.

      Similarly, none of the reporters at the time said they heard it.

      But Lewis kept insisting that they continued to scream it in his face.



      It never happened.

      I'm always still in trouble again

      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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      • #4
        Originally posted by dirtfloor View Post
        Not likely faked.


        "I believe that meeting anger with anger, it just starts a cycle of more anger," Richardson said. "As a young black woman in America. I know I don't have the privilege of reacting all the time or else it paints that face of, 'Oh, you're just another angry black woman.' And, you know, my black male counterparts, they also don't have that privilege or else it's just, 'Oh, that's just, like, an aggressive angry black man.'"
        How does that prove it wasn't faked? And if it wasn't faked, how would you explain the fact that nobody except the supposed victim and her grandmother heard it, and that video of the game does not support the accusations against the spectator?
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

          How does that prove it wasn't faked? And if it wasn't faked, how would you explain the fact that nobody except the supposed victim and her grandmother heard it, and that video of the game does not support the accusations against the spectator?
          And IF such video exists, why are we not seeing it every 5 minutes on every major snooze outlet?
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #6
            From what I heard, the godmother wasn't even at the game. The best she can add is hearsay.

            And unless Richardson was sitting in isolation somewhere, one or more of her teammates were sitting beside her on the bench. None of them reported hearing anything.
            Last edited by Ronson; 09-04-2022, 01:39 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
              Not likely faked.


              What does your quote have to do with your unsupported assertion that it was "not likely faked"?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                For someone in the stands -- even those close to the court (which have now been removed) -- to shout loud enough for someone on the court to clearly hear them means that everyone else around would have heard it. That nobody except her godmother, who also supposedly heard much more than that, heard anything is sufficient reason to suspect the veracity of the claim.

                It reminds me how, after a vote on Obamacare, the late Rep. John Lewis (D-GA) was surrounded by camera crews and protestors when he with a small group of Democrats left the Capitol building.

                He swears up and down that the protestors screamed the n-word in his face repeatedly as well as spit in his face.

                Only one problem.

                Remember those camera crews I mentioned? They literally encircled Lewis and his group at very close range. A bunch of them.

                And not a single one of them picked up anything that even remotely sounded like the n-word. Even once. And you know they looked hard for it.

                Similarly, none of the reporters at the time said they heard it.

                But Lewis kept insisting that they continued to scream it in his face.



                It never happened.
                A couple of points:

                She is a sportswoman, concentrating on the game, playing by the rules, very unlikely to be sidetracked by the sort of mischief you are talking about.

                Spectators will be aware of tv cameras in the hall and will not perform bad behavior while they know that cameras are pointed at them, or police are nearby.
                “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                “not all there” - you know who you are

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                • #9
                  This guy has a nice long Twitter threadblcovering everything about this incident. But heres part of the thread that breaks down every serve (which is when she claim3d the slurs were being said) by the girl where you can listen for these supposed slurs. I can't hear any.

                  https://twitter.com/ac_hutchens/stat...iODdRvLzg&s=19
                  Last edited by Gondwanaland; 09-04-2022, 01:48 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    And IF such video exists, why are we not seeing it every 5 minutes on every major snooze outlet?
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post



                    Meanwhile, all the news outlets that hyped the story have suddenly lost all interest in it now that the other shoe has dropped. They have not reported on how the accusation has fallen apart and I doubt you can expect any retractions.


                    As is so often the case, this gets covered by the local press as the MSM beats a hasty retreat.

                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                      From what I heard, the godmother wasn't even at the game. The best she can add is hearsay.

                      And unless Richardson was sitting in isolation somewhere, one or more of her teammates were sitting beside her on the bench. None of them reported hearing anything.
                      FWIU, it was while she was on the court, particularly when she served.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                        A couple of points:

                        She is a sportswoman, concentrating on the game, playing by the rules, very unlikely to be sidetracked by the sort of mischief you are talking about.
                        If that's a point I'm not sure what it is.

                        Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                        Spectators will be aware of tv cameras in the hall and will not perform bad behavior while they know that cameras are pointed at them, or police are nearby.
                        Because there is a long history of people making sure they are on their best behavior just because a camera, which will focused on the game, is there.

                        Riiiight. And London's streets have a 0% crime rate now that every square inch is covered by CCV for several years now.

                        What you are missing is that you cannot act like a ventriloquist while screaming something at someone playing volleyball in an arena and be heard by them.

                        Then there is the little thing about all the students there -- none who heard the supposed yelling of the n-word from this guy.

                        And keep in mind that this isn't a fellow student. He did not attend BYU. So there would have been no reason to lie for a fellow classmate.

                        Moreover, someone behaving like that can expect adverse reaction from those sitting around him.

                        Especially from college kids.

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                          How does that prove it wasn't faked? And if it wasn't faked, how would you explain the fact that nobody except the supposed victim and her grandmother heard it, and that video of the game does not support the accusations against the spectator?
                          There seems to some doubt or confusion about who the heckler was but I don’t see anything else to indicate that the incident was faked. I think the matter is still under investigation.
                          “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                          “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                          “not all there” - you know who you are

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                          • #14
                            It appears unlikely that it happened at this point. Plausibly, she thought she heard it when something entirely different was said, like the incident at the Colorado Rockies game last year when a player thought a racial slur was directed toward him when in fact a fan was trying to summon the team mascot, Dinger.
                            "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by dirtfloor View Post

                              There seems to some doubt or confusion about who the heckler was but I don’t see anything else to indicate that the incident was faked. I think the matter is still under investigation.
                              You've got it backwards. You're looking for proof that it didn't happen when there is no evidence that it did.
                              Last edited by Mountain Man; 09-04-2022, 06:18 PM.
                              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                              Than a fool in the eyes of God


                              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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