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  • More AP Fake NEWS!

    More and more the main stream press is getting less relevant. No wonder Trump doesn't trust them. Not that I have a problem with using the National Guard.

    The Department of Homeland Security is roundly condemning an Associated Press story that broke Friday morning about considering the use of the National Guard to “round up” undocumented immigrants. The DHS says that isn’t true, and—contra the AP’s reporting—that DHS Secretary John Kelly didn’t write the draft memo.

    “The Department is not considering mobilizing the National Guard,” said Gillian Christensen, the acting press secretary for DHS.

    A DHS official told The Daily Beast that the memo the AP cited was an early, pre-decisional draft, that Kelly never approved it, and that the department as a whole never seriously considered it.

    The AP reported that the draft memo suggested using National Guard troops to “to perform the functions of an immigration officer in relation to the investigation, apprehension and detention of aliens in the United States.”

    The AP also reported that Kelly wrote the memo, but Christensen told The Daily Beast that that is “absolutely incorrect.”

    Sean Spicer, the White House press secretary, denied the AP’s report on Twitter shortly after it published.

    “Not true. 100% false,” he tweeted.
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...incorrect.html
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    Yeah, memos like that typically come either from the boss telling an underling, "write me a memo on x for me to approve and sign" or an underling approaching a boss with "I think we ought to do x. Here's a draft memo on it." And the bit about the National Guard, even if the memo originated with the first approach, could have been an example of "how we can accomplish x."

    Or, in this environment, it could be no more than malicious sabotage.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
      Yeah, memos like that typically come either from the boss telling an underling, "write me a memo on x for me to approve and sign" or an underling approaching a boss with "I think we ought to do x. Here's a draft memo on it." And the bit about the National Guard, even if the memo originated with the first approach, could have been an example of "how we can accomplish x."

      Or, in this environment, it could be no more than malicious sabotage.
      Never mind the fact that there is nothing wrong with using the National Guard to help with immigration. I believe both Obama and Bush did.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by seer View Post
        Never mind the fact that there is nothing wrong with using the National Guard to help with immigration. I believe both Obama and Bush did.
        Who cares about what presidents did in the recent past? It's the NATIONAL GUARD dude! We're turning into a POLICE STATE!!11!11!!!1!
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        • #5
          The funny thing, I think a lot of people would be fine with the National Guard rounding up illegals and showing them to the border.
          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
          Than a fool in the eyes of God


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          • #6
            Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
            Who cares about what presidents did in the recent past? It's the NATIONAL GUARD dude! We're turning into a POLICE STATE!!11!11!!!1!
            What?
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            • #7
              Originally posted by seer View Post
              More and more the main stream press is getting less relevant. No wonder Trump doesn't trust them. Not that I have a problem with using the National Guard.



              http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...incorrect.html
              A draft memo is more of a suggestion, or like the AP story put it, a pre-decisional draft, not a decision made, and that draft memo exists in detail, so the AP story is not fake news as far as I can see.
              Last edited by JimL; 02-17-2017, 06:17 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by JimL View Post
                A draft memo is more of a suggestion, or like the AP story put it, a pre-decisional draft, not a decision made, and that draft memo exists in detail, so the AP story is not fake news as far as I can see.
                No Jim, the AP story said that Homeland was considering using the National Guard, a lie, and that Kelly signed off on the plan, another lie.
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by seer View Post
                  No Jim, the AP story said that Homeland was considering using the National Guard, a lie, and that Kelly signed off on the plan, another lie.
                  Minor details like facts don't count when you're ranting about Trump.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    Minor details like facts don't count when you're ranting about Trump.
                    And that is the point, they are exaggerating and manipulating these stories to make Trump look as bad as possible. They are lying hacks and should not be trusted.
                    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by seer View Post
                      And that is the point, they are exaggerating and manipulating these stories to make Trump look as bad as possible. They are lying hacks and should not be trusted.
                      What they don't seem to understand is how their trying to turn everything into a major crisis is going to seriously backfire in the long run. If something truly bad ever comes out the public, having been inundated with these boy who cried wolf constant hysterical attacks, will very likely ignore it.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        What they don't seem to understand is how their trying to turn everything into a major crisis is going to seriously backfire in the long run. If something truly bad ever comes out the public, having been inundated with these boy who cried wolf constant hysterical attacks, will very likely ignore it.
                        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                        • #13
                          CBS anchor John Dickerson: Press ruined its reputation 'on its own'

                          http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/cb...rticle/2615131
                          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by seer View Post
                            More and more the main stream press is getting less relevant. No wonder Trump doesn't trust them. Not that I have a problem with using the National Guard.



                            http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...incorrect.html
                            Heard a former intelligence official on the radio who suggested that this memo may have been a decoy to draw out the leakers.
                            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                            Than a fool in the eyes of God


                            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by seer View Post
                              No Jim, the AP story said that Homeland was considering using the National Guard, a lie, and that Kelly signed off on the plan, another lie.
                              No, being a draft memo it is a suggestion, and a suggestion is something to be considered, and considering a suggestion is nothing more than studying the suggestion, not necessarily employing it. And no, it did not say that Kelly signed off on the plan, it said he wrote the plan, in which case signing off on it would make no sense. But, regardless of any of that, the document exists, it was written by someone and so obviously it was considered, and since I don't take at face value a word that comes out of this administrations mouth, I wouldn't for a second put their intention to actually employ it past them.

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