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  • Originally posted by Sparko View Post

    God left us a large inspired tomb full of Basic Information Before Leaving Earth.
    That is your belief but we do not have any MSS written by the man himself.

    Originally posted by Sparko View Post

    Well that's just your opinion and no one is overly interested in what you think.
    Which leaves me wondering why you repeatedly reply to me!
    "It ain't necessarily so
    The things that you're liable
    To read in the Bible
    It ain't necessarily so
    ."

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    • Originally posted by tabibito View Post

      I don't have any information indicating that the popes have been accredited spokesmen.
      Some Catholics would argue otherwise.

      Originally posted by tabibito View Post
      Then again, that information won't necessarily make it into the annals.
      A somewhat peculiar comment.
      "It ain't necessarily so
      The things that you're liable
      To read in the Bible
      It ain't necessarily so
      ."

      Sportin' Life
      Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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      • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

        That is your belief but we do not have any MSS written by the man himself.
        The writers were inspired by the Holy Spirit. Who is God. And Jesus is God, so basically Jesus did inspire the words in the bible.

        Which leaves me wondering why you repeatedly reply to me!
        For others to read.


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        • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
          author
          The writers were inspired by the Holy Spirit
          Not one canonical gospel has the anonymous author alleging he is are writing an inspired text. Luke's gospel is in the form of an account [based on his investigations] to his "excellent" Theophilus.

          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
          Who is God. And Jesus is God
          There is no verse in any of the canonical gospels where Jesus declares he is θεός/theos. Other [even later] NT writers and their theological beliefs are another matter.

          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
          , so basically Jesus did inspire the words in the bible.
          According to your beliefs.



          "It ain't necessarily so
          The things that you're liable
          To read in the Bible
          It ain't necessarily so
          ."

          Sportin' Life
          Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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          • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
            Not one canonical gospel has the anonymous author alleging he is are writing an inspired text. Luke's gospel is in the form of an account [based on his investigations] to his "excellent" Theophilus.

            There is no verse in any of the canonical gospels where Jesus declares he is θεός/theos. Other [even later] NT writers and their theological beliefs are another matter.

            According to your beliefs.


            Well you are wrong on all counts but this isn't the thread to get into it. But what more would I expect from you?

            Here let you argue with you...

            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
            Take each of those statements and provide supporting evidence for each of them and then compose it all into a coherent piece of prose

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            • Originally posted by Sparko View Post

              Well you are wrong on all counts but this isn't the thread to get into it. But what more would I expect from you?

              Here let you argue with you...


              There are enough New Testament references showing that Jesus was God before his conception and after his resurrection, but I'm not aware of any New Testament reference that claims Jesus of Nazareth (birth to execution) was God.
              1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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              Scripture before Tradition:
              but that won't prevent others from
              taking it upon themselves to deprive you
              of the right to call yourself Christian.

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              • Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                There are enough New Testament references showing that Jesus was God before his conception and after his resurrection, but I'm not aware of any New Testament reference that claims Jesus of Nazareth (birth to execution) was God.
                You think he stopped being God when he was alive? So God the Son didn't exist while Jesus was alive? John 1 says that Jesus was God in the flesh. And that is just one instance.
                Also Jesus wasn't "Jesus" before his conception, he was just God the Son. When he took on flesh he became known as Jesus.

                But again this isn't the thread.

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                • It's H_A's thread.
                  1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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                  Scripture before Tradition:
                  but that won't prevent others from
                  taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                  of the right to call yourself Christian.

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                  • Originally posted by tabibito View Post
                    It's H_A's thread.
                    Feel free to start a new thread in a Christian area. This is CIVICS.

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                    • Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                      Well you are wrong on all counts
                      Really? Are you denying that the opening verses of the gospel of Luke do not exist? And where does Jesus ever state I am god in any of the canonical gospels?


                      "It ain't necessarily so
                      The things that you're liable
                      To read in the Bible
                      It ain't necessarily so
                      ."

                      Sportin' Life
                      Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                      • Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                        You think he stopped being God when he was alive? So God the Son didn't exist while Jesus was alive? John 1 says that Jesus was God in the flesh. And that is just one instance.
                        Also Jesus wasn't "Jesus" before his conception, he was just God the Son. When he took on flesh he became known as Jesus.

                        But again this isn't the thread.
                        You are repeating much later Christian theology.
                        "It ain't necessarily so
                        The things that you're liable
                        To read in the Bible
                        It ain't necessarily so
                        ."

                        Sportin' Life
                        Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

                        Comment


                        • Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                          There are enough New Testament references showing that Jesus was God before his conception and after his resurrection, but I'm not aware of any New Testament reference that claims Jesus of Nazareth (birth to execution) was God.
                          I tend to agree. John 1 says that He "was" God and "became" flesh -- not necessarily the same as "taking on" flesh.

                          But IMO He continued to be "I Am," whether or not He remained "God."
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                          • Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

                            I tend to agree. John 1 says that He "was" God and "became" flesh -- not necessarily the same as "taking on" flesh.
                            So did the man who had been blind from birth, and Paul come to that - it seems reasonable to assume that neither was claiming to be God. Add in Philippians 2:6-8.

                            But IMO He continued to be "I Am," whether or not He remained "God."
                            Hebrew lacks the substantive "to be" so "I am a student" in Hebrew is "I student." In the LXX, the Hebrew "I" (ani/aniki) is consistently translated to "ego eimi," not merely "eimi" (am). LXX records that God said to Moses "ego eimi ho oen, tell them (Israelites and Pharaoh) that ho oen has sent you." The Koine Greek "name" for God is not "ego eimi" but "ho oen" ("the living one," or even "the entity").
                            Last edited by tabibito; 08-24-2022, 02:03 AM.
                            1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                            .
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                            Scripture before Tradition:
                            but that won't prevent others from
                            taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                            of the right to call yourself Christian.

                            ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                            • Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

                              I tend to agree. John 1 says that He "was" God and "became" flesh -- not necessarily the same as "taking on" flesh.

                              But IMO He continued to be "I Am," whether or not He remained "God."
                              I recommend you read up on some Neoplatonism as well as the complexities surrounding the Greek term "logos".
                              "It ain't necessarily so
                              The things that you're liable
                              To read in the Bible
                              It ain't necessarily so
                              ."

                              Sportin' Life
                              Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                              • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                                It generally takes two to commit adultery. They may well have trapped the woman in the first place.
                                Over the years a good deal has been made of the fact that the man who she was committing adultery with was not brought forward as well.

                                And what would you give to know what Jesus was drawing/writing in the dust?

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