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  • #46
    Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
    When I initially saw this post (which is about her running for President), I misunderstood and thought you were talking about her running as an independent in Wyoming in the election.

    Which actually is an interesting possibility. It's certainly possible to lose your party's primary, then run as an Independent and win the general election--that's what Lisa Murkowski did in 2010. Obviously it requires being in a state that skews enough towards your party that you can split the vote and still win, but that is absolutely the case for Wyoming.

    On the other hand, the primary Murkowski lost was a lot closer than this one. In that, Murkowski got 49.1% while Joe Miller (the winner of the primary) got 50.9%. In Wyoming, Harriet Hageman (the winner of the primary) got a whopping 66.3%. So running as an Independent is a lot less likely to work there for Cheney.
    If she were going to do that, she might as well go all the way and switch parties to Democrat. They seem to love her. But I guess it is too late for that since the primaries are over.

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    • #47
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      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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      • #48
        Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
        I got into a discussion on this with some Cheney cultists over on huffpost.

        I asked the same question I put here. I wonder if she realizes that the democrats she's been relying on are going to drop her like a rock when she's no longer useful.

        They said she had larger ambitions, and part of her grander plan was getting out of her current office. They had no answer when I pointed out that she could have simply not sought re-election, and didn't have to lose an election in order to do that.
        I see no path to the Presidency for her at this time. There aren't anywhere near enough Republicans that would vote for her even if she gets 100% of the anti-Trump Republicans. Democrats have to many favorites and long-serving members to vote for a party switcher. She's DOA if she tries to run as an independent.

        I suppose there is a small chance she could run as the VP on the 2024 Republican ticket. I don't view this as very likely.

        Most likely: her political career is done.
        "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

        "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
          I see no path to the Presidency for her at this time. There aren't anywhere near enough Republicans that would vote for her even if she gets 100% of the anti-Trump Republicans. Democrats have to many favorites and long-serving members to vote for a party switcher. She's DOA if she tries to run as an independent.

          I suppose there is a small chance she could run as the VP on the 2024 Republican ticket. I don't view this as very likely.

          Most likely: her political career is done.
          Far more likely she would get the nod for being on the Democratic Party ticket as VP -- a show of "bi-partisanship."

          Of course that's probably less probable than Joe Manchin being the Republicans VP choice.

          Another thing to consider is that right up to the J6 Committee, Democrats absolutely loathed her with a purple passion. On MSNBC she was called, among other things, "a toxic example of what affirmative action for over privileged white people looks like," "toxic" and "Dracula's daughter."

          Over on CNN, after her 37 point drubbing, they brought up her running for president on New Day where they noted her base of support consists of ... wait for it ... Democrats and "the Beltway media" [the MSM inside Washington D.C.], both of which will vanish faster than dew when the sun comes out when actual Democrats announce their candidacy.



          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #50
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            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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            • #51
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              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                Constitutionalists are coming back in November to put the brakes on your Orwellian state.
                I'm curious by what you mean by "Constitutionalists"? Obviously you're referring to Republicans getting elected, but I also assume that for you Republican doesn't necessarily equal Constitutionalist (e.g. Liz Cheney). Which part of the Constitution is upmost in your mind when you use that term?

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  I'm curious by what you mean by "Constitutionalists"? Obviously you're referring to Republicans getting elected, but I also assume that for you Republican doesn't necessarily equal Constitutionalist (e.g. Liz Cheney). Which part of the Constitution is upmost in your mind when you use that term?
                  A Constitutionalist is someone who holds to a strict interpretation of the document rather than loosely interpreting it so that it can mean whatever you want at the moment. They are referring to all of it.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    A Constitutionalist is someone who holds to a strict interpretation of the document rather than loosely interpreting it so that it can mean whatever you want at the moment. They are referring to all of it.
                    You mean in the sense of a Scalia-Originalist interpretive view rather than a living document view? Okay. That's certain a possible meaning.

                    I'm not sure if that's the meaning Ronson was thinking of though. He was imagining Dems as Fascist, and Constitutionalists as opposite to that. It also wasn't clear to me whether Liz Cheney was among the Constitutionalists or not in Ronson's view.

                    Also, Ronson was talking about Constitutionalists getting voted in during the midterms. Given that SCOTUS, not Congress, interprets the constitution, to a great degree it doesn't really matter what interpretive view of the Constitution people in congress hold. Arguably it would matter what view the President held since he nominates new SCOTUS justices, but these are midterms so the President isn't up for election. So I'm not sure that the originalist vs living document view would have been what was on Ronson's mind when he talked about Constitutionalists winning in the midterms...

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      You mean in the sense of a Scalia-Originalist interpretive view rather than a living document view? Okay. That's certain a possible meaning.

                      I'm not sure if that's the meaning Ronson was thinking of though. He was imagining Dems as Fascist, and Constitutionalists as opposite to that. It also wasn't clear to me whether Liz Cheney was among the Constitutionalists or not in Ronson's view.

                      Also, Ronson was talking about Constitutionalists getting voted in during the midterms. Given that SCOTUS, not Congress, interprets the constitution, to a great degree it doesn't really matter what interpretive view of the Constitution people in congress hold. Arguably it would matter what view the President held since he nominates new SCOTUS justices, but these are midterms so the President isn't up for election. So I'm not sure that the originalist vs living document view would have been what was on Ronson's mind when he talked about Constitutionalists winning in the midterms...
                      Constitutionalism isn't only for the judiciary. It also is for the politicians as well. To stay within the constitution and not pass blatantly unconstitutional legislation to begin with.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

                        I see no path to the Presidency for her at this time. There aren't anywhere near enough Republicans that would vote for her even if she gets 100% of the anti-Trump Republicans. Democrats have to many favorites and long-serving members to vote for a party switcher. She's DOA if she tries to run as an independent.

                        I suppose there is a small chance she could run as the VP on the 2024 Republican ticket. I don't view this as very likely.

                        Most likely: her political career is done.
                        A more relevant point is which stark raving mad person thinks she stands a chance?

                        Find them, and then point and laugh.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                          Gotta love how everything the left doesn't like now has become "fascist". Pretty soon the GOP will propose a tax cut, and tax cuts will be Fascist.

                          I'm always still in trouble again

                          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                            A Constitutionalist is someone who holds to a strict interpretation of the document rather than loosely interpreting it so that it can mean whatever you want at the moment. They are referring to all of it.
                            ^ what he said
                            "You should just assume going forward that if I am ever wrong it is a typo" - Backup
                            "
                            Reality simply does not change based upon consensus or desire." - rogue

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              You mean in the sense of a Scalia-Originalist interpretive view rather than a living document view? Okay. That's certain a possible meaning.
                              It is only a "living document" in that he can be edited. It's not a "living document" in that it can be reinterpreted by any new standards and definitions of any given time. If it's not the intent of the authors then the interpretation is wrong.

                              I'm not sure if that's the meaning Ronson was thinking of though. He was imagining Dems as Fascist
                              Democrats are behaving as fascists, yes. Once they completely rig elections then they will be complete.

                              and Constitutionalists as opposite to that. It also wasn't clear to me whether Liz Cheney was among the Constitutionalists or not in Ronson's view.
                              She's just a dynastic relic and someone full of her own importance, working in conjunction with the fascists.

                              Also, Ronson was talking about Constitutionalists getting voted in during the midterms. Given that SCOTUS, not Congress, interprets the constitution, to a great degree it doesn't really matter what interpretive view of the Constitution people in congress hold.
                              That's a very unusual position. It's like saying that a congressional candidate's politics about nuclear war doesn't matter because they won't have their finger on the button.

                              Arguably it would matter what view the President held since he nominates new SCOTUS justices, but these are midterms so the President isn't up for election. So I'm not sure that the originalist vs living document view would have been what was on Ronson's mind when he talked about Constitutionalists winning in the midterms...
                              There is a Constitution Party now in the US that runs candidates for all sorts of offices. They understand that the undermining of the Constitution happens at every level of government. It isn't just a matter for the SCOTUS.
                              "You should just assume going forward that if I am ever wrong it is a typo" - Backup
                              "
                              Reality simply does not change based upon consensus or desire." - rogue

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                              • #60
                                I think it's funny when the "living constitution" liberals all of a sudden turn woodenly literal when interpreting the 2nd amendment "They only meant muskets! they didn't anticipate AR15s!!"


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