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  • Originally posted by Teallaura View Post

    Goes to motive - or would if it were a real issue. Optically, a guy that contributed heavily to Obama and defended Epstein isn't the one you want signing a politically charged warrant.

    Unless you are stupid or deliberately trying to undercut yourself politically. Given that this originates with the Democrats', I'm betting on stupid.
    The Democrats are not stupid, they're corrupt. They know they're corrupt. We know they're corrupt. They know that we know they're corrupt. And they don't care. That's the troubling part.
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    • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

      The Democrats are not stupid, they're corrupt. They know they're corrupt. We know they're corrupt. They know that we know they're corrupt. And they don't care. That's the troubling part.
      These things aren't mutually exclusive. This close to the midterms this move was insanely stupid. It won't rouse the Dem base but it will tick off the Right.
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      • Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

        What does Epstein have to do with anything?? Trump is tied to Epstein as well, so that objection makes little sense.
        That's not a point I'd focus on. It will resonate with some, but I don't know that it should.

        Trump associated with Epstein, but also banned him from Mar-a-lago.

        The magistrate was *indirectly* linked to Epstein, by giving legal support to some of Epstein's associates or employees. Even if it had been Epstein himself, in our system, even the most vile of criminals are entitled to representation, and that should not automatically tarnish the attorneys. The previously-linked NY Post article by Devine, et al, notes that at one point, Epstein himself was represented by Ken Starr.
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        • Originally posted by Teallaura View Post

          Goes to motive - or would if it were a real issue. Optically, a guy that contributed heavily to Obama and defended Epstein isn't the one you want signing a politically charged warrant.

          Unless you are stupid or deliberately trying to undercut yourself politically. Given that this originates with the Democrats', I'm betting on stupid.
          But again, what significance would there be here, given Trump's own (DIRECT) connections to Epstein, that a judge had formerly done his job as a legal representative of people that have some Epstein connection of some sort?
          Last edited by Gondwanaland; 08-09-2022, 08:40 PM.

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          • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

            Except we have actual evidence that the FBI has abused its authority to go after Trump going all the way back to at least 2016. Again, this isn't guesswork or speculation. We have the receipts. I'm sorry you haven't been paying attention.
            Yes Mrs Clinton, I'm sorry Mrs. Clinton, whatever you say Mrs Clinton, just don't bring out the double barreled shotgun to the back of the head suicide, Mrs. Clinton.

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            • Originally posted by Teallaura View Post

              These things aren't mutually exclusive. This close to the midterms this move was insanely stupid. It won't rouse the Dem base but it will tick off the Right.
              I suspect they are desperate and wanted Trump to be arrested and become a felon - ineligible to be reelected to the White House. They keep coming up with new plans of attack. The J6 fiasco didn't pan out, or the Mueller investigation, or the impeachments, now the raid.

              Trump had better get a trusted food taster.

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              • Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

                Yes Mrs Clinton, I'm sorry Mrs. Clinton, whatever you say Mrs Clinton, just don't bring out the double barreled shotgun to the back of the head suicide, Mrs. Clinton.
                Typical "weak point; yell louder" response.
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


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                • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                  Typical "weak point; yell louder" response.
                  Anything you say, Mrs Clinton, your wish is my command Mrs Clinton

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                  • Apparently related...

                    Trump-ally Rep. Scott Perry Says Phone Seized by FBI


                    Rep. Scott Perry, R-Pa., told Fox News that the Federal Bureau of Investigation seized his phone on Tuesday – less than 24 hours after the agency raided former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate.

                    Perry explained to the network that he was traveling with family when three FBI agents handed him a warrant and demanded his cellphone.

                    "They made no attempt to contact my lawyer, who would have made arrangements for them to have my phone if that was their wish," he emphasized.

                    The Pennsylvania representative continued, saying he is "outraged, though not surprised" Attorney General Merrick Garland's Justice Department would order the FBI to confiscate a Congress member's phone.

                    "My phone contains info about my legislative and political activities and personal/private discussions with my wife, family, constituents, and friends," Perry stated. "None of this is the government's business."

                    Perry reiterated his claim Garland was responsible for directing Monday's raid, suggesting the top federal prosecutor was involved in the confiscation of his own phone as well.

                    "These kinds of banana republic tactics should concern every citizen — especially considering the decision before Congress this week to hire 87,000 new IRS [Internal Revenue Service] agents to further persecute law-abiding citizens," the congressman noted, referencing a provision in Biden's Inflation Reduction Act that doubles the IRS' manpower.

                    The news comes as a shroud of mystery still surrounds the raid of Trump's 62,500 square feet Palm Beach, Florida, mansion on Monday.

                    Several media outlets have reported that the raid was in search of classified documents relevant to the ongoing House investigation into the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot. However, no official statement by the FBI or Justice Department has been issued yet.


                    https://www.newsmax.com/politics/mar...09/id/1082433/

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                    • Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
                      The ones where he stole 15 boxes from the White House and had to be forced by the National Archives to return them, a number of them being marked classified.



                      He literally took classified documents from the White House and mishandled them in the process. And now he's been raided for it likely because they have evidence he didn't turn everything over.
                      Stole? What proof was there they were stolen and not an honest mistake. Also I think you need to look up the word force, since the National Archival unit thanked Trump for his cooperation and praised him for how he handled the documents in a letter that Hannity has a copy of. The same one I mentioned before doesn't look like they felt they were forcing Trump to return the documents.

                      The FBI on the other hand mishandled and showed Americans that there is a double standard being used. Biden son and China nothing to see there to the FBI, Hillary Clinton destroyed subpoenaed evidence no prosecutor would bring her to trial and no need to use a warrant to make sure no other documents pertaining to National security were mishandled or destroyed by her. Berger stuffing sensitive material into his pants to take them without permission there was no theft there. But Trump and his people some one just has to alledge tried to flush documents down a toilet then to the Higher ups in the FBI its all hands on deck and we need to persecute him to the fullest. If you do not see how the DOJ and FBI have been weaponized against those who stand against establishment I pity you if you ever do or say something against them.

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                      • Originally posted by RumTumTugger View Post

                        Stole? What proof was there they were stolen and not an honest mistake. Also I think you need to look up the word force, since the National Archival unit thanked Trump for his cooperation and praised him for how he handled the documents in a letter that Hannity has a copy of. The same one I mentioned before doesn't look like they felt they were forcing Trump to return the documents.

                        The FBI on the other hand mishandled and showed Americans that there is a double standard being used. Biden son and China nothing to see there to the FBI, Hillary Clinton destroyed subpoenaed evidence no prosecutor would bring her to trial and no need to use a warrant to make sure no other documents pertaining to National security were mishandled or destroyed by her. Berger stuffing sensitive material into his pants to take them without permission there was no theft there. But Trump and his people some one just has to alledge tried to flush documents down a toilet then to the Higher ups in the FBI its all hands on deck and we need to persecute him to the fullest. If you do not see how the DOJ and FBI have been weaponized against those who stand against establishment I pity you if you ever do or say something against them.
                        You're nicer than I. I won't pity him.
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                        Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

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                        Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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                        • Detailed "sources say," "reportedly" piece by Miranda Devine at NYPo.
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                          Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

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                          Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

                          Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                          Justice for Matthew Perna!

                          Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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                          • Apparently the search warrant was signed off by a Trump-appointed judge, as well as by the Trump-appointed head of the FBI.

                            Trump is rumored to now be looking for a good criminal defense lawyer. But with Trump's history of failing to pay the lawyers who defend him (including, hilariously, the lawyers who defended him in a case of failing to pay someone else), it's unclear whether any serious lawyers will be interested in helping him.
                            Last edited by Starlight; 08-10-2022, 12:47 AM.
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                            • Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                              Apparently related...

                              Trump-ally Rep. Scott Perry Says Phone Seized by FBI


                              Rep. Scott Perry, R-Pa., told Fox News that the Federal Bureau of Investigation seized his phone on Tuesday – less than 24 hours after the agency raided former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate.

                              Perry explained to the network that he was traveling with family when three FBI agents handed him a warrant and demanded his cellphone.

                              "They made no attempt to contact my lawyer, who would have made arrangements for them to have my phone if that was their wish," he emphasized.

                              The Pennsylvania representative continued, saying he is "outraged, though not surprised" Attorney General Merrick Garland's Justice Department would order the FBI to confiscate a Congress member's phone.

                              "My phone contains info about my legislative and political activities and personal/private discussions with my wife, family, constituents, and friends," Perry stated. "None of this is the government's business."

                              Perry reiterated his claim Garland was responsible for directing Monday's raid, suggesting the top federal prosecutor was involved in the confiscation of his own phone as well.

                              "These kinds of banana republic tactics should concern every citizen — especially considering the decision before Congress this week to hire 87,000 new IRS [Internal Revenue Service] agents to further persecute law-abiding citizens," the congressman noted, referencing a provision in Biden's Inflation Reduction Act that doubles the IRS' manpower.

                              The news comes as a shroud of mystery still surrounds the raid of Trump's 62,500 square feet Palm Beach, Florida, mansion on Monday.

                              Several media outlets have reported that the raid was in search of classified documents relevant to the ongoing House investigation into the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot. However, no official statement by the FBI or Justice Department has been issued yet.


                              https://www.newsmax.com/politics/mar...09/id/1082433/
                              I guess this is it. This is the day history will remember how it started.

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                              • Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                                Trump has been investigated with a fine-tooth comb for years and nothing actionable has ever been uncovered.
                                Nothing actionable? He was Impeached, twice. After stealing from his 'charity' he was banned from running charities ever again. After defrauding students at Trump 'university' he settled. And the Muller report listed plenty of wrongdoing, but the political choice was made not to pursue it.

                                That's aside from the at least 3 further ongoing investigations relating to him - classified document handling, fake electors scheme, and Jan 6 committee.

                                Hillary can keep classified documents on her email server without repercussions
                                The eventual finding of that investigation was that there was no intentional systemic scheme by Hillary to keep classified documents on her email. What pieces of classified material that there were there had been sent to her piecemeal by over 30 different people in dribs and drabs, there was no wrongdoing on her part.

                                The real scandal is that after the Hillary investigation, the entire Trump team used personal emails while in office, as if they thought the very thing they'd be criticizing Hillary for was some sort of role model they should follow.
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                                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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