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Manchin, Sinema Dash Biden Hopes for Filibuster Change on Abortion

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  • #31
    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    It's downright Biblical - calling good evil, and evil good....
    That certainly seems to describe what the conservative posters do constantly on this forum.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
      If abortion is healthcare then we can also abort the mother. Nothing in the rule book says we can't just take the baby and get rid of her.

      Utilitarianism would be fun if it weren't so terrifying.
      I'm not sure what connection you see to utilitarianism?

      Although it reminds me of a discussion I had with a friend recently. I argued:

      Modern democratic governments tend to base their laws on three general things:
      1. Trying to ensure everyone has a life worth living / improving the minimum standard of life for everyone, which they do through human rights, minimum wage, providing education and healthcare, unemployment benefits etc (ensuring "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness")
      2. Trying to maximize wellbeing, i.e. the greatest good for the greatest possible number
      3. Trying to be democratically popular

      Abortion is an edge case because it's not necessarily obvious whether the fetus should or shouldn't count as an entity that gets those rights and gets its wellbeing maximized or not, and #3 tends to mean that since fetuses don't vote they don't get those rights.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        That certainly seems to describe what the conservative posters do constantly on this forum.
        So go away. Buhbye. Don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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