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  • Are Some Germans Taking Their Cue From Iran?

    Well, are they, Hypatia_Alexandria ?

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...er-2022-06-28/

    German man leaves severed human head at courthouse


    BERLIN, June 28 (Reuters) - German police on Tuesday said they detained a man suspected of leaving a human head in front of the Bonn district court.

    A body was found a few hundred meters away on the Rhine River. Police said they believe the body belongs to the severed head.

    The 38-year-old suspect is from the Bonn area, the police said.

    Police said no suspicious activity was reported in the area, and they are seeking witnesses.
    "So when you actually get the virus, you're going to start producing antibodies against multiple pieces of the virus. So, your antibodies are probably better at that point than the vaccination."
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  • #2
    Obviously Germans need to ban assault blades. Nobody needs to own knives.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      Obviously Germans need to ban assault blades. Nobody needs to own knives.
      Only government licensed chefs and the like.


      The police are still not releasing the name which is an indication it isn't some crazed neo-Nazi or that would have been part of the headline.

      Apparently, the decapitated man was already dead from natural causes.

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      • #4
        Or are some Chinese Taking Their Cue From Germany?

        https://nypost.com/2022/06/04/the-uy...r-prison-camp/

        The Uyghurs in China now live in a giant, open air prison camp



        There’s a cultural genocide taking place in China right now against the nation’s Uyghur minority. Aggressively monitored by Chinese authorities and faced with the constant threat of arrest or torture, this Turkish-speaking people in China’s Far West now exist in the world’s first, real-life, digital dictatorship.

        It is no exaggeration to say the entire province of Xinjiang, an area only slightly smaller than Alaska, has been turned into a giant, open-air prison camp by the Chinese Communist Party. As author Nury Turkel explains in his new book, “No Escape: The True Story of China’s Genocide of the Uyghurs,” every neighborhood in Uyghur cities large and small now has its own hastily erected “convenience police station” manned by “low-level assistant police officers, who are more brute muscle than actual law enforcement officers.” The neighborhoods themselves are surrounded by manned check points, where those who want to leave are forced to squint into a camera for a retinal scan before departure.

        Each neighborhood is further broken down into small “grids” of 15 to 20 families, each with an assigned a “grid monitor.” As the author writes, each monitor is tasked with snooping on their neighbors, reporting any suspicious or forbidden activities — such as Islamic practices like refusing to eat pork or fasting during Ramadan — to the authorities.

        Then there are the Monday-morning flag-raising ceremonies, at which attendance is obligatory. As the red flag of communist China is raised, writes Turkel, who’s ethnic Uyghur, Party officials “lead chanted slogans about the greatness of the party and its secretary-general, Xi Jinping, and the need for Uyghurs to abandon their faith in anyone but him.”

        In his book, Turkel tells the story of a young woman named Zumrat, who recalled, with a shudder, the first time she was forced to renounce Islam.

        “The party apparatchik leading the meeting shouted out to the assembled Uyghurs, “Is there a God?”

        The shocked crowd paused, before answering, “No.” They had to—members of the neighborhood watch were scrutinizing their reactions as they stood around the flagpole. Terrified, Zumrat moved her lips, but didn’t actually speak the words denouncing her faith that first time.

        “Who is your new god?” the meeting leader called.

        “Xi Jinping,” the crowd dutifully chanted back.

        Later, when Zumrat got home, she prayed to Allah for forgiveness.

        But these “old school” monitoring methods, most of which have been around in one fashion or another since the founding of the People’s Republic in 1949, are just the beginning. The tech explosion has given Xi Jinping ways of surveilling the population using artificial intelligence — AI — that the late Chairman Mao could only have fantasized about.

        The mechanics of how the surveillance works are absolutely chilling. Over the past few years, Turkel says, every adult Uyghur has been summoned to their local police station to undergo “a barrage of scans, tests and examinations … [including] retinal scans and fingerprints … blood or hair samples … for DNA profiling.” They also had to “read from a set text for forty-five minutes so their voices could be recorded and identified, so that the spies with listening devices parked outside people’s houses knew who was talking.”

        Finally, they are also forced to walk, talk, smile and frown in front of a bank of cameras. The point is to train the AI program to identify each and every Uyghur on surveillance video, which AI is now able to do even when a person’s face is turned away from the camera. Their very gait gives them away.

        But this clever AI deployed by the China Communist Party (CCP) is not finished; it goes on to instantaneously determine whether a man’s beard is slightly too shaggy, or a woman’s dress slightly too long. These are signs that an Uyghur man or woman might be secretly practicing their faith; if identified, the AI surveillance systems send an arrest warrant to the printer in the local police station. The police take over from there, bringing the suspects in for questioning, binding them hand, foot, and neck in something called a “tiger chair,” and asking them, for example, whether they believe in the Communist Party or God. The wrong answer — “I believe in God” — results in torture and a prison sentence.

        The Communist authorities have also enlisted smart phones into their surveillance network. As the author writes, all of the Uyghurs and other minorities in Xinjiang have been required to download an app chillingly called “Clean Internet Security Soldier.” This allows the AI to play “I Spy” with your cellphone, monitoring every detail of your life for any signs of “suspicious activity.”

        If you buy more groceries than usual, AI alerts the police that you may have unregistered guests and your home is raided. If you buy more gas than usual, the police will stop by to ask where you think you are going.

        In Zumrat’s case, she made the mistake of texting the common Islamic expression, “peace be upon you” to a friend. “Shortly thereafter, a security official approached her and told her the Arabic phrase was now banned. She had to stick to the “national language” — the new official term for Mandarin … Next time, the official warned, things wouldn’t be so easy for her.”
        Chinese “Big Brothers”


        But Beijing is not satisfied with merely scanning Uyghur retinas before allowing them to cross the street, or tracking a Uyghur’s every move on their own cell phone. Many Uyghur families have been forced to allow Communist agents to stay with them—and spy on them—in their own homes. According to Turkel, CCP documents show that hundreds of thousands of police, military, or security agents have been foisted on families in this way.

        These Han Chinese ‘Big Brothers’ — they pretend that they are ‘relatives’ by using fictive kinship terms — forbid the use of the Uyghur language in the household, attempt to bribe the children into informing on their parents, and often sexually abuse mothers and their daughters.

        Turkel tells of how a woman who “stabbed her ‘relative’ to death after the man sexually abused both her and her [12-year-old] daughter. She could not go to the police to report the sexual abuse, because the state was complicit. … The woman and her daughter disappeared without a trace.”

        This abuse goes on even when the Uyghur husbands are still living in the household, since the men are often afraid to intervene. When one woman complained to her husband that their Chinese ‘relative’ was pressing her to give him oral sex, Turkel says, the man “was terrified and insisted that there was nothing they could do. The Chinese had broken the dignity of this Uyghur man, to the point where he was unwilling to protect his own wife, the mother of his child.”

        While the Uyghurs are being held hostage in their own homes, their history, language, culture and religion are being systematically erased throughout their ancient homeland. As the author writes, the Uyghur language, closely related to Turkish, is no longer taught in local schools, and books on Uyghur history are now banned. Mosques and shrines that have stood for centuries are being razed by the hundreds, and it is a crime to possess a copy of the Koran. And even as ethnic Han Chinese women in Xinjiang and elsewhere are being encouraged by the Party to have more babies, Uyghur women are being told to have fewer — with contraception, sterilization and even abortion forced upon them.
        The Wrath of Han


        As a long-time observer of China, it is clear to me that the Party’s goal is not just to turn the surviving Uyghurs into atheists and CCP-members. But to give them an entirely new identity as Han Chinese. The same CCP that tried to delete history during the Cultural Revolution is now hacking the brains of an entire people. This is far worse than forced assimilation: it is genocide in slow motion.

        Thanks to Turkel, we know who gave the order for this CCP-version of Germany’s infamous “final solution”. It came from none other than the biggest Big Brother of all, Xi Jinping himself. Back in 2014, Xi visited Xinjiang and declared that the Uyghurs should be “shown no mercy.” The Party has been increasingly merciless ever since.

        It is not easy for Uyghurs to escape the giant prison that was once their homeland. Regional Muslim countries, instead of being sympathetic to the plight of their co-religionists, have proven all too willing to deport fleeing Uyghurs back to China, where they face imprisonment or even execution for daring to leave. Even oil-rich Sheikhdoms fear the wrath of potential Chinese retaliation.

        The only place where the Uyghurs are truly protected is, paradoxically, in Western countries, especially the United States, which was founded by those committed to religious freedom and has declared that what is happening to the Uyghurs is “genocide.” Which is why the author of “No Escape,” contemplating his own escape from China’s tyranny, decided that “America was the only safe place for me to go.”
        "So when you actually get the virus, you're going to start producing antibodies against multiple pieces of the virus. So, your antibodies are probably better at that point than the vaccination."
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        • #5
          A rather odd incident. However, from here: https://www.dw.com/en/germany-severe...ase/a-62309296


          Germany: Severed head dropped outside Bonn courthouse, but no homicide case


          In a case that shocked Germany, a man's head was left outside a court in Bonn and his body was found in a nearby river. Police, however, said he died of natural causes — but issued a warrant for desecration of the dead.

          Police were alerted to the severed head in front of the court building on Tuesday evening

          Police in the western German city of Bonn said on Wednesday they had halted a homicide investigation against a 38-year-old man suspected of placing a severed head outside a city court and the rest of the body in the Rhine River.

          Police first found the severed head outside the court on Tuesday and said they believed a headless torso in the river would prove a match for it.

          An autopsy later revealed that the two parts did make one whole, but also that the deceased man was already dead when his head was cut off.

          "After the criminal autopsy carried out on the 44-year-old's corpse on Wednesday morning, it is clear that the separation of the head from the torso was not the cause of death," Bonn police said in a statement.

          "According to the results of the investigation, the victim had already died of natural causes as a result of a serious illness by that time."

          Police arrested a man they identified near the scene on arrival, who has not admitted to any involvement
          Investigations continue, arrested suspect has not acknowledged involvement


          Police however said that they had still issued an arrest warrant against a 38-year-old suspect apprehended on Tuesday.

          Prosecutors are now investigating the man on suspicion of having desecrated or tampered with the dead.

          Police also noted that the 38-year-old, who was arrested "in the immediate proximity" of where the head had been dumped, had not admitted guilt or involvement in the case.

          Eyewitnesses had first called to notify police of the head's presence around 5:35 p.m. local time on Tuesday, and police said its first units on the scene had identified and detained the suspect on arrival.

          According to police, both the victim and suspect are thought to be members of Bonn's "homeless scene."




          "It ain't necessarily so
          The things that you're liable
          To read in the Bible
          It ain't necessarily so
          ."

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          • #6
            Just for some balance. My emphasis on final sentence.

            https://theconversation.com/concentr...l-facts-112006

            More than a century after 48 000 people died in concentration camps in what’s known as the South African War between 1899 and 1902 – or the Anglo-Boer War – the events of that period are back in the headlines.

            The camps were established by the British as part of their military campaign against two small Afrikaner republics: the ZAR (Transvaal) and the Orange Free State.

            The scandalous campaign is back in the news following controversial comments by British Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg on a BBC television programme.

            Rees-Mogg’s statements have caused consternation because they were riddled with inaccuracies. It’s time to set the record straight and to refute his inaccuracies one by one. I do this based on the historical research I’ve done on the South African War for the last 49 years.
            Setting the record straight


            The claim that caused the most upset was Rees-Mogg’s allegation that the concentration camps had exactly the same mortality rate as was the case in Glasgow at the time.

            This is simply factually incorrect.

            In its recent Glasgow Indicators Project the Glasgow Centre for Population Health gives the death rate of people in the city as 21 per 1000 per annum in 1901.
            Inside one of the British concentration camps. Photographical Collection Anglo-Boer War Museum, Bloemfontein SA
            The death rate for Boer civilians in the concentration camps in South Africa exceeded this by a factor of 10. It’s well established that 28 000 white people and 20 000 black people died in various camps in South Africa. Between July 1901 and February 1902 the rate was, on average, 247 per 1000 per annum in the white camps. It reached a high of 344 per 1000 per annum in October 1901 and a low of 69 per 1000 per annum in February 1902.

            The figures would have been even higher had it not been for the fact that British welfare campaigner Emily Hobhouse exposed the deplorable conditions in the camps. A subsequent report by the Government’s Ladies Commission prompted the British Government to improve conditions. Another factor that reduced the fatality rate was that Lord Milner, High Commissioner for South Africa and Governor of the Cape Colony, took over administration of the camps from the military from November 1901.

            Rees-Mogg also revealed his total lack of understanding why the British military authorities established the concentration camps in statements such as:
            Where else were people going to live when … (the Boers were fighting the war)?

            People were put in camps for their protection.

            They were interned for their safety.

            They were being taken there so that they could be fed because the farmers were away fighting the Boer War.

            The reality was very different.
            The origins of the camps


            After Lord Roberts, chief commander of the British forces, occupied the Free State capital, Bloemfontein, on 13 March 1900, he issued a proclamation inviting the Boers to lay down their arms and sign an oath of neutrality. They would then be free to return to their farms on the understanding that they would no longer participate in the war.

            Eventually about 20 000 Boers – about a third – made use of this offer. They were called the “protected burghers”. Roberts had banked on this policy to end the war. But after the British occupation of the Transvaal capital, Pretoria, on 5 June 1900, there was no end in sight. On the contrary, the Boers had started a guerrilla war, which included attacks on railway lines.

            In reaction Roberts issued a proclamation on 16 June 1900, stating that, for every attack on a railway line the closest homestead would be burnt down. This was the start of the scorched earth policy. When this didn’t work, Roberts issued another proclamation in September stating that all homesteads would be burnt in a radius of 16 km of any attack, and that all livestock would be killed or taken away and all crops destroyed.

            This policy was intensified dramatically when Lord Kitchener took over from Roberts as commander in November 1900. Homesteads and whole towns were burnt down even if there was no attack on any railway. In this way almost all Boer homesteads – about 30 000 in all – were razed to the ground and thousands of livestock killed. The two republics were entirely devastated.

            Meanwhile the Boer leaders were reorganising their commandos after some major setbacks. One action was to remobilise the Boers who had laid down their arms.

            Roberts felt he should protect his oath takers and gather them in refugee camps. The first two were established in Bloemfontein and Pretoria in September 1900.

            But the scorched earth policy had led to more and more Boer women and children being left homeless. Roberts decided to bring them into the camps too. They were called the “undesirables” – families of Boers who were still on commando or already prisoners of war. They were given fewer rations than others in the camps.
            A Boer family looks on at their house that was set alight by the British forces during the South African War. Photographical Collection Anglo-Boer War Museum, Bloemfontein SA
            These families eventually outnumbered the protected burghers and their families by 7:3.

            These families were taken against their will. They were forcibly put on ox wagons and open railway trucks and taken to the camps. They were not, as Rees-Mogg claimed, moved for their protection and safety. Nor were they moved to the camps to be fed. Rather, their internment had everything to do with ending the resistance of Boers still fighting the British.

            The administration of the camps was appalling. Food was of a very poor quality, sanitation deplorable, tents were overcrowded and medical assistance shocking. Little was known at the time about how to handle epidemics of measles and typhoid.

            This isn’t all. Rees-Mogg is also obviously unaware of the action that the British commanders took against black South Africans. A total of 66 black concentration camps where set up across the Transvaal and Free State where conditions were just as bad and the death rates similar.

            These camps were set up to get black people off the land so that the Boers couldn’t get supplies from them. In addition, forcing black farmers off their land also enabled the British to use black men as labourers on gold mines.

            Rees-Mogg was right on one point: the concentration camps didn’t have the same aims as Adolf Hitler’s extermination camps during the Second World War. The aim in South Africa wasn’t systematic murder.

            But this shouldn’t detract from his numerous other falsehoods.

            "It ain't necessarily so
            The things that you're liable
            To read in the Bible
            It ain't necessarily so
            ."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
              Just for some balance. My emphasis on final sentence.

              https://theconversation.com/concentr...l-facts-112006

              More than a century after 48 000 people died in concentration camps in what’s known as the South African War between 1899 and 1902 – or the Anglo-Boer War – the events of that period are back in the headlines.

              The camps were established by the British as part of their military campaign against two small Afrikaner republics: the ZAR (Transvaal) and the Orange Free State.

              The scandalous campaign is back in the news following controversial comments by British Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg on a BBC television programme.

              Rees-Mogg’s statements have caused consternation because they were riddled with inaccuracies. It’s time to set the record straight and to refute his inaccuracies one by one. I do this based on the historical research I’ve done on the South African War for the last 49 years.
              Setting the record straight


              The claim that caused the most upset was Rees-Mogg’s allegation that the concentration camps had exactly the same mortality rate as was the case in Glasgow at the time.

              This is simply factually incorrect.

              In its recent Glasgow Indicators Project the Glasgow Centre for Population Health gives the death rate of people in the city as 21 per 1000 per annum in 1901.
              Inside one of the British concentration camps. Photographical Collection Anglo-Boer War Museum, Bloemfontein SA
              The death rate for Boer civilians in the concentration camps in South Africa exceeded this by a factor of 10. It’s well established that 28 000 white people and 20 000 black people died in various camps in South Africa. Between July 1901 and February 1902 the rate was, on average, 247 per 1000 per annum in the white camps. It reached a high of 344 per 1000 per annum in October 1901 and a low of 69 per 1000 per annum in February 1902.

              The figures would have been even higher had it not been for the fact that British welfare campaigner Emily Hobhouse exposed the deplorable conditions in the camps. A subsequent report by the Government’s Ladies Commission prompted the British Government to improve conditions. Another factor that reduced the fatality rate was that Lord Milner, High Commissioner for South Africa and Governor of the Cape Colony, took over administration of the camps from the military from November 1901.

              Rees-Mogg also revealed his total lack of understanding why the British military authorities established the concentration camps in statements such as:
              Where else were people going to live when … (the Boers were fighting the war)?

              People were put in camps for their protection.

              They were interned for their safety.

              They were being taken there so that they could be fed because the farmers were away fighting the Boer War.


              The reality was very different.
              The origins of the camps


              After Lord Roberts, chief commander of the British forces, occupied the Free State capital, Bloemfontein, on 13 March 1900, he issued a proclamation inviting the Boers to lay down their arms and sign an oath of neutrality. They would then be free to return to their farms on the understanding that they would no longer participate in the war.

              Eventually about 20 000 Boers – about a third – made use of this offer. They were called the “protected burghers”. Roberts had banked on this policy to end the war. But after the British occupation of the Transvaal capital, Pretoria, on 5 June 1900, there was no end in sight. On the contrary, the Boers had started a guerrilla war, which included attacks on railway lines.

              In reaction Roberts issued a proclamation on 16 June 1900, stating that, for every attack on a railway line the closest homestead would be burnt down. This was the start of the scorched earth policy. When this didn’t work, Roberts issued another proclamation in September stating that all homesteads would be burnt in a radius of 16 km of any attack, and that all livestock would be killed or taken away and all crops destroyed.

              This policy was intensified dramatically when Lord Kitchener took over from Roberts as commander in November 1900. Homesteads and whole towns were burnt down even if there was no attack on any railway. In this way almost all Boer homesteads – about 30 000 in all – were razed to the ground and thousands of livestock killed. The two republics were entirely devastated.

              Meanwhile the Boer leaders were reorganising their commandos after some major setbacks. One action was to remobilise the Boers who had laid down their arms.

              Roberts felt he should protect his oath takers and gather them in refugee camps. The first two were established in Bloemfontein and Pretoria in September 1900.

              But the scorched earth policy had led to more and more Boer women and children being left homeless. Roberts decided to bring them into the camps too. They were called the “undesirables” – families of Boers who were still on commando or already prisoners of war. They were given fewer rations than others in the camps.
              A Boer family looks on at their house that was set alight by the British forces during the South African War. Photographical Collection Anglo-Boer War Museum, Bloemfontein SA
              These families eventually outnumbered the protected burghers and their families by 7:3.

              These families were taken against their will. They were forcibly put on ox wagons and open railway trucks and taken to the camps. They were not, as Rees-Mogg claimed, moved for their protection and safety. Nor were they moved to the camps to be fed. Rather, their internment had everything to do with ending the resistance of Boers still fighting the British.

              The administration of the camps was appalling. Food was of a very poor quality, sanitation deplorable, tents were overcrowded and medical assistance shocking. Little was known at the time about how to handle epidemics of measles and typhoid.

              This isn’t all. Rees-Mogg is also obviously unaware of the action that the British commanders took against black South Africans. A total of 66 black concentration camps where set up across the Transvaal and Free State where conditions were just as bad and the death rates similar.

              These camps were set up to get black people off the land so that the Boers couldn’t get supplies from them. In addition, forcing black farmers off their land also enabled the British to use black men as labourers on gold mines.

              Rees-Mogg was right on one point: the concentration camps didn’t have the same aims as Adolf Hitler’s extermination camps during the Second World War. The aim in South Africa wasn’t systematic murder.

              But this shouldn’t detract from his numerous other falsehoods.
              Are you trying to say that the Nazis got the idea for concentration camps from the Boer War? I've heard Nazi apologists also cite the reservation system for Native Americans as being the inspiration.

              But these are more like ghettos that the Jews were forcibly moved into than concentration camps.

              The whole systemized factory-like death machine that were the camps are a German innovation.

              I'm always still in trouble again

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              • #8
                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                Are you trying to say that the Nazis got the idea for concentration camps from the Boer War? I've heard Nazi apologists also cite the reservation system for Native Americans as being the inspiration.

                But these are more like ghettos that the Jews were forcibly moved into than concentration camps.

                The whole systemized factory-like death machine that were the camps are a German innovation.
                The idea of concentrating certain people was used by the British. However, as I made clear with my emphasis on the ante-penultimate and penultimate sentences in that article.

                Rees-Mogg was right on one point: the concentration camps didn’t have the same aims as Adolf Hitler’s extermination camps during the Second World War. The aim in South Africa wasn’t systematic murder.

                "It ain't necessarily so
                The things that you're liable
                To read in the Bible
                It ain't necessarily so
                ."

                Sportin' Life
                Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                  The idea of concentrating certain people was used by the British. However, as I made clear with my emphasis on the ante-penultimate and penultimate sentences in that article.

                  Rees-Mogg was right on one point: the concentration camps didn’t have the same aims as Adolf Hitler’s extermination camps during the Second World War. The aim in South Africa wasn’t systematic murder.
                  So what exactly is your point?

                  I'm always still in trouble again

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    So what exactly is your point?
                    That concentration camps are iniquitous regardless of who introduces them or to what purpose.
                    "It ain't necessarily so
                    The things that you're liable
                    To read in the Bible
                    It ain't necessarily so
                    ."

                    Sportin' Life
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                    • #11
                      Returning to the OP it would appear that the incident in Bonn bizarre though it undoubtedly was had nothing to do with brutal executions or terrorism and therefore the thread title [and the question contained in the OP] seem somewhat irrelevant to that incident.
                      "It ain't necessarily so
                      The things that you're liable
                      To read in the Bible
                      It ain't necessarily so
                      ."

                      Sportin' Life
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                        That concentration camps are iniquitous regardless of who introduces them or to what purpose.
                        Again. Those weren't concentration camps. They were more akin to the ghettos that Jews were forced to move into which stretch back at least as far as the mid 16th century when the pope passed the Cum nimis absurdum Bull.

                        Concentration camps are very different.

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          Again. Those weren't concentration camps.
                          The British camps were concentration camps established for both Boers and black Africans and thousands died of disease and hunger. I will not post any pictures of children dying from disease or emaciated by hunger but you can find them online.

                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          Concentration camps are very different.
                          Correction. The Nazi concentration camps were very different from those established by the British.

                          "It ain't necessarily so
                          The things that you're liable
                          To read in the Bible
                          It ain't necessarily so
                          ."

                          Sportin' Life
                          Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                            Returning to the OP it would appear that the incident in Bonn bizarre though it undoubtedly was had nothing to do with brutal executions or terrorism and therefore the thread title [and the question contained in the OP] seem somewhat irrelevant to that incident.
                            My dear, that was the entire point. It has nothing to do with brutal executions or terrorism just as the OP incident in your similarly titled thread had nothing to do with Chinese government/military in Tiananmen Square despite your attempts to suggest otherwise. The entire point of this thread is to show how absurd and illogical your similarly titled thread was.

                            Its nice to see you werr able to grasp the irrelevancy here, but somehow you werent when it came to your own OP.

                            Talk about the point flying into the stratosphere over your head.
                            "So when you actually get the virus, you're going to start producing antibodies against multiple pieces of the virus. So, your antibodies are probably better at that point than the vaccination."
                            - Pfizer Scientist Chris Croce

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

                              My dear, that was the entire point. It has nothing to do with brutal executions or terrorism just as the OP incident in your similarly titled thread had nothing to do with Chinese government/military in Tiananmen Square despite your attempts to suggest otherwise. The entire point of this thread is to show how absurd and illogical your similarly titled thread was.

                              Its nice to see you werr able to grasp the irrelevancy here, but somehow you werent when it came to your own OP.

                              Talk about the point flying into the stratosphere over your head.
                              that close?
                              1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
                              Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                              .
                              "when the church no longer teaches its people why they believe what they believe, the world will often step in and fill in the gaps." Ryan Danker

                              "The synoptic gospels claim that Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of Nisan and buried on the 14th day of Nisan:" Majority Consensus

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