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  • #16
    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    No idea if the OP article is true, but it's becoming presidency that's sad to watch. It reminds me of the Reagan administration when the president just delivered the speeches given to him and watched TV the rest of the time. At least unlike Reagan, his cabinet doesn't seem to be fighting with each other behind the scenes or engaging in mass scandals and illegal actions. The Trump administration was quite similar to this too, with the president spending so much time golfing and him knowing relatively little about politics, leaving his cabinet to get on with the business of actually running the country for him. With the Trump presidency most of the scandals did seem to come from the president rather than from the cabinet though. At least with the Biden presidency its a Democratic presidency so it's not crime-filled.
    I think you're too eager to lap up the rumors and gossip about Reagan. And absolutely no comparison whatsoever with Biden.

    It's a bit of a sad state of affairs for the US to once again find itself in, particularly when the country could do with some decisive leadership. It's a real pity Obama organized to get Biden elected by having the other corporate Dem candidates drop out and support Biden in order to stop Bernie winning. If the US had had a Sanders presidency at the moment, the situation would be a lot better.
    And it amazes me that they thought Biden was the very best they could offer.

    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      No idea if the OP article is true, but it's becoming presidency that's sad to watch. It reminds me of the Reagan administration when the president just delivered the speeches given to him and watched TV the rest of the time. At least unlike Reagan, his cabinet doesn't seem to be fighting with each other behind the scenes or engaging in mass scandals and illegal actions. The Trump administration was quite similar to this too, with the president spending so much time golfing and him knowing relatively little about politics, leaving his cabinet to get on with the business of actually running the country for him. With the Trump presidency most of the scandals did seem to come from the president rather than from the cabinet though. At least with the Biden presidency its a Democratic presidency so it's not crime-filled.

      It's a bit of a sad state of affairs for the US to once again find itself in, particularly when the country could do with some decisive leadership. It's a real pity Obama organized to get Biden elected by having the other corporate Dem candidates drop out and support Biden in order to stop Bernie winning. If the US had had a Sanders presidency at the moment, the situation would be a lot better.
      The revisionist history found on YouTube channels.

      Reagan didn't get Alzheimer’s until Clinton was president (5 years after leaving office).

      Not to mention that even years later the White House physicians who attended Reagan all said he never displayed any signs or symptoms of dementia the whole time he was in office

      But even with the hindsight of Mr. Reagan’s [Alzheimer’s] diagnosis, his four main White House doctors say they never detected any evidence that his forgetfulness was more than just that. His mental competence in office, they said in a series of recent interviews, was never in doubt. Indeed, they pointed out, tests of his mental status did not begin to show evidence of the disease until the summer of 1993, more than four years after he left the White House.

      "There was never anything that would raise a question about his ability to function as President,” said Dr. Lawrence C. Mohr, one of Mr. Reagan’s physicians in his second term. “Ronald Reagan’s cognitive function, belief structure, judgment, ability to choose between options, behavior and ability to communicate were totally and completely intact.”

      […]

      He “never forgot appointments, misplaced or lost things, where he put his glasses, never forgot to put his hearing aids in, never forgot to put his contact lenses in, and these are things he did for himself,” Dr. Mohr said. “I saw him saddle and bridle horses at the ranch and later put things back exactly where they belonged.” And Mr. Reagan, the doctors stressed, was punctual, never depressed and had no difficulty with language or understanding what was going on around him.




      I'm always still in trouble again

      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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      • #18
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        The revisionist history found on YouTube channels.

        Reagan didn't get Alzheimer’s until Clinton was president (5 years after leaving office).

        Not to mention that even years later the White House physicians who attended Reagan all said he never displayed any signs or symptoms of dementia the whole time he was in office

        But even with the hindsight of Mr. Reagan’s [Alzheimer’s] diagnosis, his four main White House doctors say they never detected any evidence that his forgetfulness was more than just that. His mental competence in office, they said in a series of recent interviews, was never in doubt. Indeed, they pointed out, tests of his mental status did not begin to show evidence of the disease until the summer of 1993, more than four years after he left the White House.

        "There was never anything that would raise a question about his ability to function as President,” said Dr. Lawrence C. Mohr, one of Mr. Reagan’s physicians in his second term. “Ronald Reagan’s cognitive function, belief structure, judgment, ability to choose between options, behavior and ability to communicate were totally and completely intact.”

        […]

        He “never forgot appointments, misplaced or lost things, where he put his glasses, never forgot to put his hearing aids in, never forgot to put his contact lenses in, and these are things he did for himself,” Dr. Mohr said. “I saw him saddle and bridle horses at the ranch and later put things back exactly where they belonged.” And Mr. Reagan, the doctors stressed, was punctual, never depressed and had no difficulty with language or understanding what was going on around him.
        But, hey - ya gotta support the narrative!

        One of my favorite stories was when Reagan was at Camp David with his advisors, and the Iranians were sending speedboats out to harass shipping. It was a challenge for our Navy, because they're used to training big guns on big ships, and these speed boats would zoom in "under radar" and disappear.

        While the Secretary of Defense (Weinberger?) was explaining the problem, Reagan is said to have been staring out the window, then asked "where are they coming from?"

        Everybody in the room was puzzled --- "where is WHO coming from"?

        He answered - "the speed boats -- they can't be coming all the way from land, so where are they coming from".

        The answer, of course, was the oil platforms in the gulf, so Reagan said "blow up the oil platforms from which they come". His instructions were to issue warnings, and if the oil platform was not abandoned, it would be destroyed. And he did it. Problem solved.

        President Reagan said, "We aim to deter further Iranian aggression, not provoke it. They must know that we will protect our ships, and if they threaten us, they'll pay a price."
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

          But, hey - ya gotta support the narrative!

          One of my favorite stories was when Reagan was at Camp David with his advisors, and the Iranians were sending speedboats out to harass shipping. It was a challenge for our Navy, because they're used to training big guns on big ships, and these speed boats would zoom in "under radar" and disappear.

          While the Secretary of Defense (Weinberger?) was explaining the problem, Reagan is said to have been staring out the window, then asked "where are they coming from?"

          Everybody in the room was puzzled --- "where is WHO coming from"?

          He answered - "the speed boats -- they can't be coming all the way from land, so where are they coming from".

          The answer, of course, was the oil platforms in the gulf, so Reagan said "blow up the oil platforms from which they come". His instructions were to issue warnings, and if the oil platform was not abandoned, it would be destroyed. And he did it. Problem solved.

          President Reagan said, "We aim to deter further Iranian aggression, not provoke it. They must know that we will protect our ships, and if they threaten us, they'll pay a price."
          That, and the Freedom of Navigation Exercises where Reagan had Tomcats fly along the Libyan coast to challenge their overly aggressive claim of territorial waters, and Libya ended up losing fighter jets.

          In 1986, a pair of aviation movies took America by storm. Both Doug Masters in Iron Eagle and Pete “Maverick” Mitchell in Top Gun took to the skies and dominated America’s enemies (we all know who the better pilot was). But in the five months between those two blockbuster releases, U.S. Navy pilots did some butt-kicking for real in the Mediterranean Sea. The butt-kickee? Libya, who endured several days of naval battles that were originally intended to just be some exercises.

          Those exercises were planned in response to constant Libyan claims over the Gulf of Sidra. In 1981, the newly-elected President Ronald Reagan ordered the United States Navy to carry out some “freedom of navigation” exercises in the area. Just days into the exercise, two Libyan Su-22 Fitters attacked a pair of F-14 Tomcats. The Fitters were quickly were shot down, shutting down Libyan aggression for a while.



          Gee, I miss Reagan.

          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            Reagan didn't get Alzheimer’s until Clinton was president (5 years after leaving office).
            ? I didn't say he got Alzheimer's.

            He declined to actively participate in the role of president and left his cabinet to run things, spent his own time watching TV, and just read the speeches he got given. The infighting among his cabinet for control that resulted from this was pretty infamous.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              ? I didn't say he got Alzheimer's.

              He declined to actively participate in the role of president and left his cabinet to run things, spent his own time watching TV, and just read the speeches he got given. The infighting among his cabinet for control that resulted from this was pretty infamous.
              I'm sure you're going to produce a cite for that.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by seanD View Post




                These are the puppetmasters...



                They openly admit they control world leaders.
                Well, claims and reality can be two different things. I'm sure they have a lot of influence over western leaders, and little or no control over tyrannies, despots, and the like. I'd like to see them "control" Putin or Xi, or Iran or Cuba.
                "You should just assume going forward that if I am ever wrong it is a typo" - Backup
                "
                Reality simply does not change based upon consensus or desire." - rogue

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Ronson View Post

                  Well, claims and reality can be two different things. I'm sure they have a lot of influence over western leaders, and little or no control over tyrannies, despots, and the like. I'd like to see them "control" Putin or Xi, or Iran or Cuba.
                  Maybe they ARE!
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                    No idea if the OP article is true, but it's becoming presidency that's sad to watch. It reminds me of the Reagan administration when the president just delivered the speeches given to him and watched TV the rest of the time. At least unlike Reagan, his cabinet doesn't seem to be fighting with each other behind the scenes or engaging in mass scandals and illegal actions. The Trump administration was quite similar to this too, with the president spending so much time golfing and him knowing relatively little about politics, leaving his cabinet to get on with the business of actually running the country for him. With the Trump presidency most of the scandals did seem to come from the president rather than from the cabinet though. At least with the Biden presidency its a Democratic presidency so it's not crime-filled.

                    It's a bit of a sad state of affairs for the US to once again find itself in, particularly when the country could do with some decisive leadership. It's a real pity Obama organized to get Biden elected by having the other corporate Dem candidates drop out and support Biden in order to stop Bernie winning. If the US had had a Sanders presidency at the moment, the situation would be a lot better.
                    Finally coming around in regards to Biden. It sure took long enough.
                    "You should just assume going forward that if I am ever wrong it is a typo" - Backup
                    "
                    Reality simply does not change based upon consensus or desire." - rogue

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      Gee, I miss Reagan.
                      I ended up disappointed with him. Reagan bailing out the S&Ls was like Bush/Obama bailing out Wall Street. Raised taxes, outlawed adult-living complexes and devalued my property. Then he did a sneak end-round with the whole Iran-Contra mess.

                      I liked Reagan for his optimism and the way he dealt with the Soviets, but not much else.
                      "You should just assume going forward that if I am ever wrong it is a typo" - Backup
                      "
                      Reality simply does not change based upon consensus or desire." - rogue

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                        Can you imagine the headslaps and faceplants going on behind the scenes as "they" see him reveal their instruction sheet to the world?
                        Next one's gonna have "YOU keep this sheet so no one else can see it." at the top.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Ronson View Post

                          I ended up disappointed with him. Reagan bailing out the S&Ls was like Bush/Obama bailing out Wall Street. Raised taxes, outlawed adult-living complexes and devalued my property. Then he did a sneak end-round with the whole Iran-Contra mess.

                          I liked Reagan for his optimism and the way he dealt with the Soviets, but not much else.
                          I liked that he really wanted to make things work, and for his witticisms... common sense approach, and calm and steady approach to problems.

                          But, then again, he followed Jimmy Carter, so the bar was really really low.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #28

                            Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
                            Next one's gonna have "YOU keep this sheet so no one else can see it." at the top.


                            Well, yeah, maybe they shoulda added that.

                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Ronson View Post

                              Well, claims and reality can be two different things. I'm sure they have a lot of influence over western leaders, and little or no control over tyrannies, despots, and the like. I'd like to see them "control" Putin or Xi, or Iran or Cuba.
                              As far as the west, they've completely captured the EU, Canada, and Australia. Most of the EU leaders in powerful positions and ruling most of the major countries in the union are WEF subservient minions, especially Ursula von der Leyen, Christine Lagarde, and Macron their top three minions. They're having trouble with the US only because of our constitution and court system, but as we can all plainly see, they're definitely trying. They don't "control" Putin , but it's more than clear they baited him into this war, and they're definitely using him for their agenda in the EU.
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                                I think you're too eager to lap up the rumors and gossip about Reagan. And absolutely no comparison whatsoever with Biden.



                                And it amazes me that they thought Biden was the very best they could offer.
                                Reagan was clearly in the very early stages, likely before clear detection would have been possible (especially with the much lower understanding of the disease that we had decades ago). Nothing remotely close to Biden's level of decline, but clearly some mental impairment.

                                Looking back with better info and knowledge, he was clearly suffering with the earliest stages of decline.
                                https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...947-story.html

                                https://www.medicaldaily.com/ronald-...disease-328050

                                Toward the end of his presidency, Ronald Reagan, once famed as “The Great Communicator,” began losing the luster on his oratory prowess. In November of 1994, five years out of office, doctors diagnosed him with Alzheimer’s disease. A new analysis suggests the signs may have been evident even before he left the White House.

                                The findings hail from Arizona State University and are published in the Journal of Alzheimer’s Disease. They give credence to a method of disease detection that relies on analyzing speech patterns for irregularities, such as the repetition of certain phrases or forgetting them altogether. Alzheimer’s disease carries no reliable diagnostic tool, as scientists have yet to find a way to unlock the so far impenetrable black box of the brain.

                                As a window into dementia, speech analysis can be tricky. Decades of recorded words aren’t usually lying around, waiting to be fed through a computer. But politicians, in their years of documented campaigning and national addresses, can act as a helpful outlier.

                                In their analysis, Visar Berisha and Julie Liss, professors of speech and hearing science at ASU, compared Reagan’s transcripts to those of President George H.W. Bush. The two men acted as a reliable comparison for analyzing speech because they were around the same age during their presidency and served in the same decade. This proximity was important for Berisha and Liss because people speak differently across various time periods and at different stages in life.




                                In parsing both presidents’ many transcripts, they discovered some key differences. Compared to Bush, who has exhibited no signs of dementia, Reagan began relying on crutch words more often toward the end of his presidency, such as using the word “thing” instead of a more specific term. He also repeated himself more often, the researchers found.

                                Berisha and Liss got the idea for their study after coming across a study that analyzed autobiographical essays of nuns living in a convent, some of whom developed Alzheimer’s and tended to project the signs in their writing. “It was surprising that, by analyzing discourse rather than writing samples, similar changes were detectable over the course of two presidential terms,” Berisha told Yahoo.



                                Cognitive decline is best caught early. It isn’t a gradual slide into senility so much as a push off of the edge of a cliff. Once the fall has begun, the amyloid plaques destroying neural connections quickly wipe away speech function and mental reasoning. Vocabulary size begins to shrink and known words elude people’s grasp. For Berisha and Liss, the hope is these kinds of detection methods can apply to the general public. They want to devise a study that can record conversations between physicians and patients to analyze speech patterns over time. They also want to study NFL press conferences among players who have suffered head trauma.

                                “Our goal,” Berisha told Yahoo, “is that one day we can develop health applications that automatically analyze speech and language biomarkers for disease onset or progression.”

                                Source: Berisha V, Wang S, LaCross A, Liss J. Tracking Discourse Complexity Preceding Alzheimer's Disease Diagnosis: A Case Study Comparing the Press Conferences of Presidents Ronald Reagan and George Herbert Walker Bush. Journal of Alzheimer’s Disease. 2015.

                                Notice in particular the part about his tend toward relying on crutch words like 'thing'

                                ..... sound like anyone we know? "You know, the thing!"
                                Last edited by Gondwanaland; 06-25-2022, 10:41 PM.
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