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  • From a friend of mine who teaches in a Texas school:

    Possibly the most enraging take I’ve heard yet about the Uvalde shooting is people blaming teachers for “not locking their doors when they heard shots.”
    I worked for seven years in a classroom with no windows to the exterior of the school. Many newer schools in Texas are built with solidly insulated interior classrooms to provide shelter during tornados, among other reasons. A bomb could have gone off and I wouldn’t have heard it…
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    • Originally posted by myth View Post

      Evil may well play a role, but ignoring the mental health element is foolish.
      I was watching the police interview of Nikolas Cruz (the primary officer was apparently an expert in this field), and it was fascinating in a very ominous sense. It was clear that Cruz was faking like he was crazy to get a lighter sentence, and the video commentator that did the analysis breakdown showed how manipulative he was trying to be. There was even a moment the cop leaves temporarily and you can see Cruz smile to himself and subtly emulate the shooting with his hand like he was enjoying the fantasy of it. Some folks are just pure evil and that's that. Evil is real. I don't think mental health can solve that.
      Last edited by seanD; 05-26-2022, 05:40 PM.

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      • If the stuff Jesse Watters is reporting is even close to accurate, the police on site totally screwed the pooch.
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        • Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post

          I'm not so sure, because you don't see these at a big rate even in Europe, which has full force endorsed socialistic atheism. (I don't know much about the education system there, to be fair.)
          I suspect you intended to write concerning Europe, the "education systemS there". Our respective education systems do vary.

          However, with reference to Resource Officers and school buildings being unlocked, do people really want their children effectively incarcerated within their educational establishments behind locked doors, high perimeter fences, and with armed Resource Officers patrolling the premises from the time the children arrive in school until the time they are released to go home.

          What sort of message is that sending to children about the wider society?
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          The things that you're liable
          To read in the Bible
          It ain't necessarily so
          ."

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          • Originally posted by seer View Post


            It seems pretty clear that it did take an hour, many sources are reporting it. What the hell CP!
            I'm speechless --- it's like they never got the training from Columbine. It's like they were totally unaware of the current school shooting protocols.

            Seriously -- I can't figure it.

            When I said "first reports from the field are always wrong" -- even I didn't know HOW wrong they were!!!
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

              I suspect you intended to write concerning Europe, the "education systemS there". Our respective education systems do vary.

              However, with reference to Resource Officers and school buildings being unlocked, do people really want their children effectively incarcerated within their educational establishments behind locked doors, high perimeter fences, and with armed Resource Officers patrolling the premises from the time the children arrive in school until the time they are released to go home.

              What sort of message is that sending to children about the wider society?
              They want their children SAFE --- got a problem with that?

              Again, you're spewing forth profound ignorance knowing NOTHING about how things actually work here.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • So one of the guys who is a school security consultant made the point that I have been hearing ever since Columbine....

                When police engage the shooter, he will do one of two things ---
                a) he will commit suicide
                2) he will engage the police
                (or 2 until a)

                In either case, he's no longer shooting students.

                He even brought up the point that I have heard over and over --- if you can't get in the door, use your patrol car and smash your way in --- it is CRITICAL to get in there and force the gunman to engage YOU, not children.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                  I'm speechless --- it's like they never got the training from Columbine. It's like they were totally unaware of the current school shooting protocols.

                  Seriously -- I can't figure it.

                  When I said "first reports from the field are always wrong" -- even I didn't know HOW wrong they were!!!
                  He shot at two officers outside - they took cover, OK, by why not follow him in after a minute or two. Is it cowardice?
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                  • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                    They want their children SAFE --- got a problem with that?

                    Again, you're spewing forth profound ignorance knowing NOTHING about how things actually work here.
                    I was merely considering the mental well being of America's future generations. Effectively turning schools into a form of daily prison [albeit with the best intentions] does not seem to be the healthiest way to educate the next generation about the wider society they will be growing up into and participating within.

                    The underlying message being that "outside" general American society is far from safe. What impact does that have on the mental well being and psychology of children and adolescents?
                    "It ain't necessarily so
                    The things that you're liable
                    To read in the Bible
                    It ain't necessarily so
                    ."

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                    • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                      However, with reference to Resource Officers and school buildings being unlocked, do people really want their children effectively incarcerated within their educational establishments behind locked doors, high perimeter fences, and with armed Resource Officers patrolling the premises from the time the children arrive in school until the time they are released to go home.

                      What sort of message is that sending to children about the wider society?
                      I certainly don't like that it has to be that way. A constant critique from my liberal friends has been that having active shooter drills puts the onus on children, but is the implication that we shouldn't do these things? It seems necessary in this day and age. Better than letting them be sitting ducks if the unthinkable happens.
                      "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                      • Averted disaster

                        https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...mentary-school

                        Toronto police fatally shoot man seen carrying rifle near elementary school

                        Officers responded to reports of a man in his late teens or early 20s carrying a firearm in Scarborough’s Port Union area

                        Police in Toronto have shot and killed a man after he was spotted carrying a rifle near an elementary school, prompting an emergency lockdown for hundreds of students.

                        Officers responded to reports of a man, described as being in his late teens or early 20s, carrying a firearm in Scarborough’s Port Union area of the Canadian city at about 1pm.

                        Witnesses told local media they heard three gunshots and then saw police attempting to revive the man.

                        The police chief, James Ramer, told reporters Thursday afternoon that the event was “isolated” and there was no further threat to public safety, but that police would increase patrols in the area.

                        “Due to the proximity to a school, I certainly understand the trauma and how traumatic this must have been for staff, students and parents, given the recent events that have happened in the United States,” he said.

                        The scare comes as the US reckons with its worst school shooting in a decade. Two days ago, 19 children and two teachers were killed when an 18-year-old gunman entered an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas.

                        Ramer said he was unable to comment further on the incident because the province’s Special Investigations Unit will conduct an investigation.

                        The police watchdog intervenes whenever an officer fires at or kills a civilian.

                        The Toronto district school board said two schools – Charlottetown Junior public school and Centennial Road Junior public school – went into “hold and secure” mode. Two other schools – Joseph Howe Senior public school and Sir Oliver Mowat Collegiate Institute – went into lockdown.

                        A spokesperson for the school board said it didn’t appear a nearby school was linked to the incident.

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                        • Originally posted by seer View Post

                          He shot at two officers outside - they took cover, OK, by why not follow him in after a minute or two. Is it cowardice?
                          I got nothing! He apparently shot for TWELVE MINUTES outside the school, then went in through an unlocked door --- still hearing conflicting reports on the "armed officer was in the building" --- but most credible reports seem to say, no, there was no armed officer inside.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                            I was merely considering the mental well being of America's future generations. Effectively turning schools into a form of daily prison [albeit with the best intentions] does not seem to be the healthiest way to educate the next generation about the wider society they will be growing up into and participating within.
                            Your logic on this is as screwed up as your idiotic "Texas Bounty Hunter" crap. You really are a moron.

                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                              I got nothing! He apparently shot for TWELVE MINUTES outside the school, then went in through an unlocked door --- still hearing conflicting reports on the "armed officer was in the building" --- but most credible reports seem to say, no, there was no armed officer inside.
                              I'm already getting nervous about the debate over what happened and when, because we know what happened with Sandy Hook. People seized on inconsistent reports, made up a conspiracy theory that it never happened or was staged by the government, and harassed the family members of victims for years to come. We know it'll happen here.

                              (It's in principle little different from how people take the fact that some of the minor details in the gospel accounts aren't easy to match up and use that to argue that the whole thing was made up.)
                              "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                              • Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post

                                I certainly don't like that it has to be that way. A constant critique from my liberal friends has been that having active shooter drills puts the onus on children, but is the implication that we shouldn't do these things? It seems necessary in this day and age. Better than letting them be sitting ducks if the unthinkable happens.
                                Hey, when I was a kid, we had drills where we hid under desks and covered our heads to protect us from nuclear obliteration --- and I turned out alright!
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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