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  • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

    That part - radios don't work inside - IF TRUE, supports my suspicion that they never really "drilled" in preparation --- they had federal money to train and prepare, but I suspect this was a lot like sitting around the squad room talking about it, and never even having a practice or drill.

    Reminds me of my oil and gas days when we were required to have "safety meetings", so the guys would gather around somebody's pickup truck and drink beer and talk about bad things that happened in the past --- and list that as "a safety meeting".
    Actually if his claims are true (and that's questionable to the extreme] that means they probably did drill because he knew beforehand that they didn't work and thus didn't take them in.

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    • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

      That part - radios don't work inside - IF TRUE, supports my suspicion that they never really "drilled" in preparation --- they had federal money to train and prepare, but I suspect this was a lot like sitting around the squad room talking about it, and never even having a practice or drill.

      Reminds me of my oil and gas days when we were required to have "safety meetings", so the guys would gather around somebody's pickup truck and drink beer and talk about bad things that happened in the past --- and list that as "a safety meeting".
      Paid to sit around, drinking beer while grumbling?

      We need more meetings!

      I'm always still in trouble again

      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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      • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        Paid to sit around, drinking beer while grumbling?

        We need more meetings!
        Yup - industry standard.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

          Actually if his claims are true (and that's questionable to the extreme] that means they probably did drill because he knew beforehand that they didn't work and thus didn't take them in.
          Yeah, I considered that --- but if they knew the radios were not working, and they had federal money for that purpose, why didn't they obtain radios that DID work.
          IF in fact they drilled, and discovered radios don't work - one of the purposes of having the drill is to make sure things DO work.

          I suspect he didn't take a radio because he's an incompetent boob.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

            Yup - industry standard.
            Whas was that? Sorry. Juss came from my fourf straight meeting.

            I'm always still in trouble again

            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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            • Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
              Okay fair enough maybe I'm thinking of another poster who tried to imply she was lying in the past.


              No, it's been out there for quite a while now. Within the first week we knew, when the DPS chief said the commander on scene made mistakes. Indeed, that's what the chief (the commander on scene) used as an excuse for why he didn't have a radio - that he was on scene inside and the radios don't work inside so he left his radios outside
              OK, I must have just missed that bit or didn't pay attention. I merely commented that my first reaction was surprise to see the cops inside at all. But then they didn't do anything but run back and forth and wash their hands. literally. Now I can understand if there was a hostage situation and they were afraid of him killing someone if they entered, but as far as I can tell they never even communicated with him. And he wasn't holding hostages, he was actively shooting them, so them entering wouldn't have made a difference. They could have used tear gas or smoke or all sorts of stuff. I think even tear gas would be safe enough to use in a classroom of kids temporarily compared to waiting around for an hour while he was shooting them.

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              • Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                OK, I must have just missed that bit or didn't pay attention. I merely commented that my first reaction was surprise to see the cops inside at all. But then they didn't do anything but run back and forth and wash their hands. literally. Now I can understand if there was a hostage situation and they were afraid of him killing someone if they entered, but as far as I can tell they never even communicated with him. And he wasn't holding hostages, he was actively shooting them, so them entering wouldn't have made a difference. They could have used tear gas or smoke or all sorts of stuff. I think even tear gas would be safe enough to use in a classroom of kids temporarily compared to waiting around for an hour while he was shooting them.
                Ever since Columbine, the doctrine on school shooters changed drastically.

                In the past, it was "wait for backup, form up outside, and enter as a team".

                Ever since Columbine, it has been "do NOT wait for backup - go directly to the shooter and neutralize the threat - even ignoring wounded or dead along the way"
                In addition, it has been made clear that this is a glaring exception to "chain of command" --- the first person on the scene goes in to neutralize the threat, regardless of orders otherwise.

                Either this 'Chief' didn't know that, or, as I suspect, he was just an incredibly incompetent cop in fear for his own life.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                  Paid to sit around, drinking beer while grumbling?

                  We need more meetings!
                  My wife used to have a supervisor that whenever a company meeting was planned, he would get his team together for a pre-meeting, and then they would all attend the company meeting, and then he would have a post meeting. He could easily waste the majority of his day doing nothing but having meetings.
                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                  • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                    My wife used to have a supervisor that whenever a company meeting was planned, he would get his team together for a pre-meeting, and then they would all attend the company meeting, and then he would have a post meeting. He could easily waste the majority of his day doing nothing but having meetings.
                    I knew a department head at a company that seemed to live for her meetings. She would have gone out for special drinks and snacks and would provide pencils and notepads (pre-computer days), and even once had "mood music" playing in the background. She even brought a space heater in for that one woman who was always cold even in July.

                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                    • Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                      My first reaction is that the story of the cops standing outside for an hour are wrong. There were cops in the hall within a few minutes of the gunman going in.
                      Second reaction is: why the hell didn't they do anything? They were right there. Cowards.
                      Is there any penalty for "cowardice under fire" for police?
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                      Nationalist Christian.

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                      Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

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                      Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

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                      Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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                      • Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

                        Is there any penalty for "cowardice under fire" for police?
                        None I know of - only termination, and then they can go apply at some other police department and start all over again.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                          None I know of - only termination, and then they can go apply at some other police department and start all over again.
                          We need a national registry of bad cops that potential employers can reference.

                          I'm always still in trouble again

                          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                          • I'm always still in trouble again

                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                            • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                              None I know of - only termination, and then they can go apply at some other police department and start all over again.
                              Sheesh, it's like they're pastors or coaches or something.
                              Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

                              Beige Federalist.

                              Nationalist Christian.

                              "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                              Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

                              Proud member of the this space left blank community.

                              Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

                              Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                              Justice for Matthew Perna!

                              Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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                              • The keystone kops would be more competent....
                                If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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