Texas School Slaughter...

[tabibito]

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He somehow lost his transceiver but still has the battery pack? And how come he only has three fingers - is that congenital, or the result of an incident?

[Cow Poke]

Fact is - so often, those who are calling for gun control are so incredibly ill-informed about weapons in general, and what second amendment supporters believe in particular, that they just sound stupid.

[Cow Poke]

Fact is - so often, those who are calling for gun control are so incredibly ill-informed about weapons in general, and what second amendment supporters believe in particular, that they just sound stupid.

Which is why the liberals try to come up with gun control legislation, and end up producing "scary looking gun" laws.

[Machinist]

What amazes me is the degree to which the media and other liberals are going to IGNORE the fact that this was preventable on so many levels.
INCLUDING the fact that this dude was well known already, there were MUTIPLE indicators, there was extremely LAX security....

Do we REALLY want to protect children in school? Then let's look at the multiple layers of security that FAILED.
OR, do we simply want to use this as a catalyst for another round of "LETS GRAB GUNS from ordinary citizens"?

What I am asking is, are background checks extensive enough to reveal these indicators?

I don't think they are, unless there is some conviction. If an extensive background check would have been conducted on this shooter, what would it have revealed? Will gun dealers one day have to hire investigative journalists to conduct their background checks?

This guy obviously passed some background check. I guess you could require 3 or so character references before buying a gun, like the requirement to become a notary.

[Machinist]

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It's one of them hybrids.

[seer]

Since you appear to be asking in good faith, I'll explain further.

You are correct that a shotgun wouldn't make for "as good a mass-killing weapon" as the --- not "modern automatic rifle" - but semi-automatic rifle.

A semi-automatic - like the AR-15 - can fire as fast as you can pull the trigger, and ammo is available.
A "modern automatic rifle" can fire as long as ammo is available with one trigger pull.

A shotgun doesn't have the range, muzzle velocity, or capacity as a semi-auto rifle.

Would it really matter? Once this guy was locked in that class room, like in Sandy Hook, he could have clubbed those kids to death like baby seals,,,

[tabibito]

What I am asking is, are background checks extensive enough to reveal these indicators?

I don't think they are, unless there is some conviction. If an extensive background check would have been conducted on this shooter, what would it have revealed? Will gun dealers one day have to hire investigative journalists to conduct their background checks?

This guy obviously passed some background check. I guess you could require 3 or so character references before buying a gun, like the requirement to become a notary.

Without a conviction in the history or a trial pending? Not likely.

[Cow Poke]

'Let’s get this done': Border agents took matters into their own hands to stop Texas school killer hiding in closet

Federal agents ignored orders from local police and went after the shooter who killed 19 children and two teachers at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, on Tuesday, according to reports Friday.

Border Patrol agents took matters into their own hands after waiting roughly 30 minutes to lead a "stack" formation of officers inside Robb Elementary School, federal law enforcement officials told NBC News.

A member of BORTAC, or the Border Patrol Tactical Unit, has been credited with fatally shooting the gunman, identified as 18-year-old Salvador Ramos, who had barricaded himself in a classroom.

An off-duty BORTAC agent was the first to arrive. The agent “basically said let’s get this done" and began planning a way into the room, a U.S. Customs and Border Protection official told the Washington Post. More BORTAC agents arrived around 15 minutes later, and within minutes of getting a key to unlock the door, a variety of law enforcement officers followed a leading BORTAC agent holding a ballistic shield provided by a U.S. marshal.

The same source said the shooter was hiding in a closet at the time and burst out firing at the officials, who returned fire and killed Ramos. One BORTAC agent received minor injuries after his head was grazed by a bullet and his foot struck by shrapnel.

Nineteen children and two teachers were killed. The report noted that agents saw children piled up and huddled together around the room, some of them alive and others dead.

The gunman had at least 15 bullet holes in him after being shot by BORTAC agents and local law enforcement, senior U.S. law enforcement officials told NBC News.

Peter Arredondo, the chief of police for the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District, has been identified as the official who stopped at least 19 officers from barging into the school for up to an hour to stop the shooter. Steven McCraw, the director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, said Friday that the delay, based on the view that there was not an active threat, was a "wrong decision."

It was the "deferring to an on scene commander" that caused the delay in BORTAC "getting it done".

[Machinist]

Without a conviction in the history or a trial pending? Not likely.

Right. So calling for more extensive background checks is not really going to solve a thing. Like I said, just because someone can pass a background check, however extensive, doesn't mean they aren't capable of pure evil.

[Cow Poke]

Without a conviction in the history or a trial pending? Not likely.

AND, in the case of many public schools, they don't want to look "dangerous", so they don't report actual critical incidents involving troubled (troubling?) students.

A background check won't reveal stuff never reported.

[rogue06]

Which is why the liberals try to come up with gun control legislation, and end up producing "scary looking gun" laws.

The entire "Assault Weapon" ban resulted from going through catalogues and checking off which guns looked the scariest. It had nothing whatsoever to do with functionality but was based solely on cosmetic appearance.

And that's how a single shot pistol (that required the user to reload it after each shot) got listed as an "Assault Weapon"

[tabibito]

And while all the arguing about guns and police failures continues, the teacher who made it possible for the gunman to gain access disappears into the background. Or was the report about a teacher propping open a door just a furphy?

[Machinist]

The entire "Assault Weapon" ban resulted from going through catalogues and checking off which guns looked the scariest. It had nothing whatsoever to do with functionality but was based solely on cosmetic appearance.

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[Cow Poke]

And while all the arguing about guns and police failures continues, the teacher who made it possible for the gunman to gain access disappears into the background. Or was the report about a teacher propping open a door just a furphy?

The Texas DPS Director clearly said, on the record, there was video of this teacher propping the door open.
And that was while he was clearing up previous false reports.

That teacher, along with school's own "police chief", should take some heat for this.

[seanD]

The Texas DPS Director clearly said, on the record, there was video of this teacher propping the door open.
And that was while he was clearing up previous false reports.

That teacher, along with school's own "police chief", should take some heat for this.

Is there any information on the shooter himself? Was he actually planning to do this at this specific school beforehand, or was it a random thing? It's hard for me to research for details because of all the melodrama and fake sentiment MSM engages in. The impression I got was that he was being chased by police, so I thought he just randomly picked the school in order to get away.