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Is there doubt that expansionist ambitions will not be satisfied with one acquisition?1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostBeing that Taiwan actually produces things we need and thus would have a direct affect on us and our economy, if the question is: Is it in our interest to defend Taiwan, the answer would be yes.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Question 1: Should we defend Taiwan? It depends on the level of "defense." Should we send troops? No. Should we fire nukes? No. Since China is so intrinsically linked to the US and the west financially, the best way to control China is economically. I think a carrots-and-sticks approach through trade is the best avenue.
Question 2" Should Biden be spouting off about it? Absolutely not! He's stoking a fire and drawing lines in the sand. He needs to shut his big, fat, demented mouth - otherwise the obstinate Chinese commies are going to raise the ante. What a bumbling idiot.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostBeing that Taiwan actually produces things we need and thus would have a direct affect on us and our economy, if the question is: Is it in our interest to defend Taiwan, the answer would be yes."For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostQuestion 1: Should we defend Taiwan? It depends on the level of "defense." Should we send troops? No. Should we fire nukes? No. Since China is so intrinsically linked to the US and the west financially, the best way to control China is economically. I think a carrots-and-sticks approach through trade is the best avenue.
Question 2" Should Biden be spouting off about it? Absolutely not! He's stoking a fire and drawing lines in the sand. He needs to shut his big, fat, demented mouth - otherwise the obstinate Chinese commies are going to raise the ante. What a bumbling idiot.
Biden is doing good by building up alliances. I think one of the pluses of the Trump administration is the raising awareness of China's plans.
I think you need to take some time to see what China is up to before you talk about controlling China."For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
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Originally posted by seanD View Post
We don't even import a quarter of our food supply, and only a minuscule amount comes from Ukraine.
Lithium is more of a concern since it's an essential component of batteries. I'll also admit I may be mixing lithium up with some else essential."For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
Regarding wheat, true. However, there is the rest of the world to consider and how a shortage of wheat in the world is going to inflate prices for bread, etc.
Lithium is more of a concern since it's an essential component of batteries. I'll also admit I may be mixing lithium up with some else essential.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostIs there doubt that expansionist ambitions will not be satisfied with one acquisition?
But then again, so was Nepal, Bhutan, Burma and much of Malaysia (including Singapore), which the Brits took in the 19th century. And North Vietnam and Thailand by the French. And then there is Java, Borneo and Indonesia...
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostBut they are only reclaiming "territories" lost due to colonial expansionism. Taiwan was taken by the Japanese empire in the 1890s.
1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by seer View PostWith our military? Any thoughts?
Major reasons I think Taiwan isn't worth that is that (a) it was historically part of China, (b) it's directly adjacent to China, (c) it's inhabited by people of Chinese descent who speak Chinese. As I've said before I'm pretty apathetic about international intervention in these kinds of situations, which I tend to regard more as a civil war than an international conflict.
Compare to the reasons for defending Taiwan: (1) just generally preventing one country ever invading another, (2) defending a region that wants independence and democracy because those are goods, (3) stopping China expanding because China is viewed as a geopolitical threat, (4) legacy of supporting anti-communist elites from the Cold War, with Taiwan being controlled by the elites who fled the communist regime in China, (5) Taiwan produces the most advanced computer chips which the US uses. I think of that list, 1-2 are good reasons, but 3-5 are dodgy ones.
On balance it seems reasonable to let China have Taiwan because it was historically part of China and is inhabited by Chinese people.
If China started invading unrelated countries, that is a different matter. Then you are potentially in WW3 territory already, and US involvement in such a situation is not really an escalation.
What do Australians or New Zealanders think?
Originally posted by Ronson View PostQuestion 2" Should Biden be spouting off about it? Absolutely not! He's stoking a fire and drawing lines in the sand. He needs to shut his big, fat, demented mouth - otherwise the obstinate Chinese commies are going to raise the ante. What a bumbling idiot.
The first Iraq war infamously occurred because the US failed to say that it would defend Kuwait. Saddam Hussein decided that what he was hearing from the US meant that he could invade Kuwait without US intervention, and so did. A huge number of people died as a result. Though the US eventually decided it would intervene, the entire war could have been avoided if the US had simply told Saddam in clear terms that he could not attack Kuwait without US intervention against him.
For this reason it's important for leaders, especially those perceived as being more peaceable, to be tougher with their words than they are actually prepared to be with their actions. You can always choose to not intervene if an invasion happens, but you absolutely don't want to encourage an invasion by saying you wouldn't intervene."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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